25 responses to ““What can I do?””

  1. Anemone

    I find it hard to believe that so many people would wait that long to take the elevator (where do they get the patience?), though I can completely believe that they would prefer the elevator to the stairs. I see people using automatic doors all the time, using electricity, possibly wearing out the switch, when using the manual doors would keep their upper body in better shape and cost almost nothing in terms of time and energy.

    I suppose the school would want you to have a pass, like the parking space passes, to accommodate you. Frustrating.
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  2. meloukhia

    In my experiences on college/university campuses, students seem to have an infinite capacity for patience when it came to waiting for an elevator so that they can avoid taking the stairs. I’ve also noticed this with airports, public transit, etc.

    During my time on campuses, I became very familiar with the network of hidden/service elevators which most students did not know about.

  3. Lis

    I was so grateful when I got my cane, because it gave me an excuse to ask for seats on the bus, or first dibs on the elevator. (Though, my school keeps its elevators accessible by making sure they’re slow, small, smell of pee, and placed where no one not following the tiny wheelchair signs will find them.) I also found that my anxiety had a lot to do about it, since I have social anxiety–on days when I had more mental spoons, I had the resources to just stand still on the escalator and put up with everyone else’s angry glares. When I didn’t have the spoons I wanted to apologize for sharing anybody’s air, and was willing to walk and take the stairs the long way round, just so I didn’t “inconvenience” anyone.
    .-= Lis´s last blog ..God, I can’t even. =-.

  4. Lisa

    I found this post really interesting. And it’s such a great example of how the individual changes a person can make DOES have a positive effect on others.

    I remember when I was younger, I used to love using the accessible washroom stalls (I don’t have a disability), mainly because they were so ‘roomy.’ But then I read some kind of ‘Dear Abby’ letter from someone who was pissed because she, an able-bodied person, had been ‘butted in front of’ by a woman using a wheelchair when the accessible washroom became available. I remember the response being something along the lines of ‘well what did you expect? You can use ANY of the stalls. Of course this woman was going to ask to go in front of you to use the one stall she’s able to use!’.

    Which made me think, duh… I really shouldn’t be using the accessible stall, in case someone comes in who actually needs it (instead of me, who just has a preference for lots of leg room…). Anyways, it seemed like such a revelation at the time, and I think dovetails well with your comments about people using the elevator.

  5. kaninchenzero

    Those of us with less visible disabilities use the accessible stalls in the hope they’ll have a grab bar placed where it’s actually useful. Some of them aren’t well designed — they’ve got the elements of accessibility but in the wrong places.

  6. Ruchama

    I’ve been running into this problem when taking the bus or subway. I can’t stand for the amount of time the ride will take, but I don’t have anything visible to let people know that I do need one of those “these seats reserved for the disabled” seats. Asking for one would mean getting into a whole conversation about why, and for all I know, the person who is sitting in the seat when I got on the bus might have an invisible disability, too, and then I’m putting that person in the position of having to explain it to me.

  7. kaninchenzero

    It is a difficult problem. I’m sorry; I don’t have a good answer, Ruchama. Sometimes it feels like the best we can do is muddle through.

  8. romham

    The college i periodically go to has elevators. They have two different kinds of signs right next to each other: one is yellow and black and there are no less than 2 per elevator pair; the other sign is HUGE black text on white. Both kinds of signs say something to the effect that the elevators are ONLY for those students who require them, and for freight. It doesnt *tend* to matter, but i like to think it helps somewhat. Is your school interested in doing such a thing?

  9. Quixotess

    Wow! I would LOVE to see more of this type post. There are days when the fatshaming I get for breathing heavily when taking the stairs is just too much to handle :/ but I will absolutely remember this.

    It seems like the escalator problem could be solved by the schools by simply instituting a policy (with signage) that if you want to stand still, you stand on the right, and if you want to climb, you walk on the left. That’s how it worked in London underground when I visited.
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  10. cathy

    Romham, you have to be careful with those sort of rules too. It can sometimes take people with invisible disabilities like fibro years to get diagnosed, meanwhile, they can’t physically go up stairs and my be unable under the university’s rules to get these permits. I’ve had severe joint issues since I was fourteen and when I’m bad I physically can’t walk up several flights of stairs. Even on a good day, stairs are painful. My recent irregular sed rates have pretty much ruled out fibro, but arthritis is ruled out due to the severity and length of my problems and the fact that my sed rate is not high enough and my joints look fine under X-ray. I’m scheduled to get an MRI and biopsies soon to check for some rarer disorders, but right now I do not have a specific diagnosis for this (I do have my PCOS and hashimoto’s diagnosis, but that doesn’t explain my other symptoms). My university requires a specific diagnosis for physical disability before they will do anything to get you accomadations. Which means it has been left up to me to make sure my housing and classes are in places I can physically get to. Luckily, we don’t seem to have a lot of elevator issues, but the sort of rule you propose would keep me from being able to reach all but one of my classes on a bad day.

  11. Rodo

    I had a friend in school who had some weird and very rare disease (I’m talking two in 88 million people rare) that basically meant that the muscles in her legs were injuring themselves whenever she used them. She looked skinny and normal and always got weird looks because she was one of three people who had a key to the elevator in school (the key was meant to ensure that the waiting problem you describe wouldn’t occur). It didn’t matter that she had to miss a year because she literally couldn’t get out of bed. It didn’t matter that she had trouble concentrating in school because she was constantly on pain meds. What did matter was that she looked normal and healthy and that she didn’t play it up by cringing and whimpering with every step she took.

    At least at my university, students for some reason don’t use the elevators and take the stairs instead. It might be due to the fact that there isn’t much waiting room in front of the elevators, enough for maybe fifteen people, and that the people who want to take the stairs have to go through the narrow space. Waiting for an elevator is annoying, so people only do it in one building, and that’s only because the university rented the rooms from the 8th floor upwards.

  12. Anji

    I’m one of those people who has limited mobility but I don’t have a diagnosis yet (I’m seeing a rheumatologist this week; so far I’ve just been calling it “the as-yet-unnamed chronic pain/fatigue condition). I have just started using a walking stick which makes movement a little easier, but I feel a bit fraudulent asking to use the lift/disabled toilet/special seats on the bus because if people ask “Well what’s wrong with you?” I can’t answer them. All I can say is “I don’t know.” Without my stick I look just like any other TAB, except I’m not.
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  13. Ouyang Dan

    Something I appreciate about Seoul is that they have signs on thing indicating that if you are walking on escalators you must use one side and if you are riding you must use another (most of them are wide enough for this). One of these days I am going to do a photo expose on accessibility in Seoul…it is kind of awful in some places and great in others.

    I finally got tired of crying on the subways from the pain of standing for three trains and not being able to get out of bed/off the couch for days afterward and had to ask for a cane/walking stick. People still look at me funny for using the seating, and the three seats per car set aside have to be shared with the elderly, and even then you have to fight the people who don’t care…but it has helped a little. Even when they are full I would never try to ask for a seat, even w/o my language barrier.

  14. Sarah Norman

    Excellent post! It’s amazing to me how people will pay so much money a month to have membership to a gym, and yet they have to get the closest parking space and take the elevator. That’s FREE exercise they’re throwing away! Meanwhile, people who really need accessibility are forced to make excuses for themselves.

    Sarah Norman
    Assistive Technology
    a division of Easter Seals Crossroads
    Disability Services. Our emphasis is on ability.
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  15. romham

    Cathy, its not my rule lol. i get that there are variations, and imperfections. It’s only a guideline, and people (obviously) decide for themselves whether they are included in the category of folks the elevator is intended for. You dont need a medical diagnosis or a visible (to sighted people) indication to get on the elevators, and being disabled folks arent the only ones who would benefit from using the elevator. i understand from living many years without assistive devices that when folks dont perceive a disability they give the stink eye. And that sucks. i highly doubt that all the folks getting on the elevators at school are disabled, and thats ok. It’s just a guideline. And to a certain extent, i think it helps.

  16. The Nerd

    This is why all schools should have elevators accessible by key only, like the ones at my high school were. Schools should not rely upon students to make the right choices (cuz that’s obviously not working), they should not let the wrong choices be an option.
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  17. Anna

    I disagree, The Nerd. I don’t feel one needs to declare one’s ability status in public that way. Eventually you get people talking about who’s “really” disabled and who “faked” having a disability to get a key and who’s just “lazy”.

  18. romham

    Yeah i definitely dont agree with a keyed system. All kinds of people need the elevator, which is why a simple sign highlighting that “some of our students are not able to use the stairs, please keep this elevator free for them/they have priority on the elevator…”.

    ive had situations where i’ve had to use a keyed system for lifts and such, and it is a serious pain in the ass.
    - It took me more time and energy to go get the person with the keys (and sometimes they werent even around) and sometimes i was late to classes because of it.
    - i didnt dig the conversations i was expected to have with the key holders about my body. ick.
    - i didnt like how it singled me out.
    - i didnt like how other folks who werent so easily pitied for being a gimp (because i do use assistive devices which ENabled people seem to associate with being a gimp = pitiable = ok you get the keys–which no, isnt a privilege, but thats a whole nother thread) werent granted access so easily (or at all)

  19. meloukhia

    Aw, Anna beat me to it. I dislike the key/keycard access idea for all those reasons; I don’t like the idea of authorities arbiting disability status and deciding who gets to use the elevator, and it’s a terrific way to force people to disclose their disability status, once it becomes commonly known that the only people with elevator access are PWDs. Furthermore, I suspect that such systems are also accompanied by pushback from students complaining about “special treatment,” especially of people with chronic conditions and invisible disabilities who “look normal” and therefore “shouldn’t be allowed” benefits/accommodations. And, furthermore, it would not shock or surprise me in the least to learn that able bodied folk were pushing on to the elevators once PWDs opened them.

  20. Sare

    I have a metabolic condition where sometimes I have energy, and sometimes I don’t. And sometimes I take the elevator, and sometimes I don’t. The situation you are outlining here is really extreme (very long elevator wait lines), but at the same time, how can a total stranger know your struggle?

    I’m not saying what you are writing here is wrong as
    1. Its your experience, not mine
    and
    2. I am a fairly neurotypical, able person and I don’t always have spoon days, but when I do, I don’t mind asking. And most people on my campus don’t mind scooting over or relinquishing their spot in line.

  21. meloukhia

    Well, a total stranger can be aware that elevators are reserved for people with disabilities, and make a choice to take the stairs or use the escalator instead, thereby freeing up the elevator for people who actually need it. Likewise, total strangers can not co-opt services set aside for people with disabilities, and stop policing disability status to decide who should and who shouldn’t be allowed access.

    It’s fine that you feel confident asking for accommodation, but many people do not (I do not, for example), and, more importantly, we should not have to ask people to stop using services set aside for us. Not least because we might accidentally challenge someone with a legitimate right to those services by assuming that ou is not disabled when ou in fact has an invisible disability or chronic condition. Which is one reason I do not ask people to get up for me on buses, to yield to me on elevators, etc.
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  22. lauredhel

    My experiences with a keyed system were terrible – and I’ve written about them here already. Firstly, the key itself was difficult to get, with multiple failure modes. Firstly, I needed to get doctor’s documentation. Not everyone has access to that; not everyone has a diagnosis (yet/at all); not everyone has a doctor who’s not shouting “DIET AND EXERCISE!!!” in their faces.

    Then, I had to travel to not one, not two, but three different locations on campus sequentially in order to set everything up. Two of these places didn’t even have seats in the waiting area. The whole thing was ridiculous.

    Then, if I forgot my key, or it didn’t work, I couldn’t access the library.

    Also, a lot of people have temporary impairments which would benefit from elevator access. Should everyone have to get a doctor’s note and go through a baroque approval and equipment process every time they sprain an ankle or have bronchitis?

    This sounds very much like the conversations that occur around service animals. “Just require a permit!” people shout, without having the first idea as to the burden that places on PWD just to prove they have a right to access the world. Our second (third, fourth) shift really doesn’t need more work shoehorned into it.
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  23. PharaohKatt

    I think my reply got lost because I was posting on my phone and it mucks up sometimes. If this is a repeat just delete it.

    I think the onus should be on able-bodied people to not use accessible services, not on people with disabilities to prove they need them. That’s probably obvious to everyone here, but in this world some people can be utter jerks.
    Something I thought of while I was on the bus today was seating. It’s one thing to not sit in the priority seats, but if the bus or train is crowded and you can stand, then stand. Give that seat to someone who might need it more than you. I’m thinking solely of able-bodied people like myself who can stand for long periods without any problems.

    I never did that before. I always thought “I’ll stand if I see someone who needs it more than me” but you just don’t *know*. thank you for this kick up the arse. It’s terrible that it needs to be done :(
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