9 responses to “Lines in the Sand: Daly, Showalter and Tactics of Exclusion”

  1. shehasathree

    Wow, I had no idea! I have that book sitting on my shelf at home, but I must have read (bits of it) before I got sick and then got into disability studies etc. There’s really *no* excuse for uncritcally equating CFS/ME with hysteria, especially since Susan Wendell’s The Rejected Body was published in 1996.

    Thank-you very much for this post.

  2. Sarah TX

    One thing that’s been frustrating on more mainstream blogs is for her to be criticized more for her exclusion of men from feminist spaces than for her transphobia and racism. Like, it was SO MUCH WORSE that she wouldn’t let men take a course or ask a question during a talk. You know, compared to outright excluding an entire segment of women as conspirators against feminism who must be physically harmed.

  3. Shiyiya

    People who think DID doesn’t REALLY exist make me very stabby.
    .-= Shiyiya´s last blog ..Since I wrote this fuckass long thing….. =-.

  4. Sungold

    I’m writing this as a historian and as a person who once had a diagnosis of CFS about 20 years ago. It’s absolutely legitimate to look at how ideas about health and sickness have changed over the centuries, including how certain diagnoses appear and disappear. It’s *not* OK to ignore the lived experiences of people and say, “oh, their problems are/were all in their heads!” Sure, mind/body are not separable. I felt sicker, for instance, when I couldn’t get a diagnosis. But I was absolutely furious when Showalter came out with this thesis that basically suggested that my experience was just a form of modern-day hysteria. Wouldn’t it be more useful to ask what kinds of experiences lurked below the diagnosis of hysteria in the 19th century?

    Personally, I’m not convinced that everyone with a CFS diagnosis has the same underlying condition. Nearly three years after I first got sick – and about a year after I’d started doing quite well – I seemed to “relapse.” I was found to have a hypoactive thyroid. Most likely, my original symptoms were caused by Hashimoto’s thyroiditis, and it took a while for my thyroid to stop functioning. My husband had a tentative CFS diagnosis but turned out to have Hodgkins lymphoma! So I think it’s important to say that people with CFS really are sick with physical ailments that aren’t reducible to mental health issues – *and* to insist that doctors not use CFS as a default diagnosis for folks whose fatigue is not immediately explainable.

    It’s ironic that both Showalter and Daly – as second-wave feminists – were so dismissive of people’s accounts of their lived experience, given the centrality of “experience” to second-wave feminist thought. I guess everyone’s experience is equal, but some people’s experience is more equal than others.

  5. myriad

    By “traditionally disproven”, I’m curious about what you mean. It is my experience that ritual abuse exists (and it isn’t all satanic). I’m a survivor of it, and feel really uncomfortable with it being mentioned in the same breath as alien abductions. I’m hoping that all you meant is that some mainstream, traditional sources consider it to be disproven, not that it actually was.

  6. myriad

    thanks for the clarification. i really like the issues your post raised, and i do think it’s all of a piece – basically, no one’s experience is worth invalidating. there’s no academic excuse good enough to justify ignoring people’s own accounts about themselves. and my experience is definitely a popular one to invalidate.

    i hesitated to comment, because i didn’t want it to seem like i was criticizing the piece. i appreciated the chance to learn about the two women and what they’ve written.

    i could point to information about ritual abuse and mcmartin specifically if you’d like, but i don’t feel i should do so here since that’s not the focus of this post.

  7. Cat

    Not to mention that comparing any mental disorder to so-called “plain old/generic anxiety” is something I find rather offensive considering anxiety itself, in a severe form, can be a debilitating disorder—intrusive thought battler (I refuse to use the word “sufferer”) speaking here. As much as I resent being labeled, I almost wish there were a pretentious medical name for what Wikipedia just calls intrusive thoughts (as in right here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrusive_thoughts)—I favor “dysmethia” myself, to give it more legitimacy as a devastating syndrome. Plus, I like pretentious Greek names!

    But in general, all prattle about myself aside, exclusion among advocacy groups is something I just don’t understand. I’m aware that while some of this exclusion is genuinely hateful, other elements of it are just plain ignorant—and while ignorance is never excusable, it can be comprehensible given one’s background. Still, ignorance of the willful variety is something that has no place in advocacy for the disenfranchised, and making sweeping blanket statements without knowing what repercussions they may have is nothing less than burying your head in the sand. Those who are ignorant through no fault of their own should be educated, but there is no excuse whatsoever for exclusion, whether or not it has hatred behind it.

  8. Knitting Clio

    I’m a historian who went to graduate school (Cornell) with Sungold. I gave up on Showalter after reading _The Female Malady_, in which she makes a similar argument for women in the nineteenth century. My graduate adviser, Joan Jacobs Brumberg, talked about the reciprocity of biology and culture when examining mental illness, or diseases like anorexia nervosa which have both a biological and psychological component. That is, the illness is a real biological entity, but the symptoms and meanings are shaped by particular historical and cultural circumstances. I hope that makes sense.

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