8 responses to “Dear Imprudence: When to Out a Transgendered Dater? How About Never?”

  1. Ang

    You know, I keep hearing about how transgendered people are disproportionately likely to be violently attacked, even killed. That in itself would indeed be a very serious, valid and understandable reason to withhold the information until the guy knew his date a bit better.

    But the others are valid too – I mean, how many people on first dates talk about all the big events or changes their lives have turned on? And that includes all manner of things which their date might consider germane to them and to the possibilities for a future relationship – things like ‘I have kids’, or ‘I’m separated from my spouse’, or ‘My company might send me abroad next year’.

    Someone being transgendered should not be treated as some kind of special excuse that makes it okay to treat them differently – it’s as if the woman appropriates the guy’s transgenderedness as HER issue, rather than an important aspect of his identity…

  2. doorslam

    This is probably precisely why he was cagey about telling her. She’s obviously untrustworthy–at best, her aim is to destroy his chances at finding a partner in their community by coloring people’s views of him before they have a chance to get to know him. Poor guy.

  3. Astrid

    Thanks for this post. I already covered it on my blog and someone covered it on Questioning Transphobia, but this bigotry and transphobia cannot get enough opposition.

  4. Kali

    …I’m literally sick to my stomach. I can’t imagine how someone could possibly think it’s a good idea, that it’s at all ethical, to harm someone that way.

    Even if the gentleman in question was never physically harmed, he would be opened to all kinds of bullshit – people calling him by the wrong pronoun (especially ‘it’, from seeing it happen to people I know), turning their backs on him (especially somewhere as traditional as an orthodox jewish community), ostracizing him, it just…

    Why would you want to hurt someone like that? And how on earth could you possibly be oblivious to the fact that you’re going to do that kind of harm?

    …hell, even her bigoted reaction should give her an idea of how other people may act. Yes, he may find allies he didn’t know he had before, but he’ll find enemies, too.

  5. Lisa Harney

    As I said on Questioning Transphobia (and I got this information from Dr. Weiss on Bilerico), this man isn’t an ethicist. He’s a comedian. He used to write for David Letterman (also known for his transphobic humor).

  6. Ali

    Clearly he thought you’d find it pertinent; that’s why he discreditably withheld it, lest you reject him

    WHAT?

    No, clearly he withheld this information because it is irrelevant. He is a man. He lives his life as a man, he identifies as a man, he IS MALE. Whether this has been his sex from birth is entirely inappropriate for a first date, and very inappropriate for someone to go snooping online about. This woman is just horrific.

  7. Zahra with a Z

    Thank you so much for taking “The Ethicist” down for this column; my partner and I read it last week and were horrified.

    In addition to all that you mention, we were disturbed that he seemed to harp on the sexual aspects–one of those classic cis moves of sexualizing trans people–and never mentioned the advice-seeker’s own ethical breach, of using professional research access for a personal and underhanded purpose. I work in a field that uses sophisticated research databases and the like, and there are strict professional protocols for when to use it; she clearly crossed a line.

    Thank you so much for writing this up and posting it publically.

  8. Isa

    I remember reading this (or perhaps a similar story) to my partner recently and he was just horrified.

    He and I both said exactly what you said: NEVER. It is nobody’s bloody business. End of story.

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