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		<title>By: Kaz</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/03/03/recommended-reading-for-march-3rd/#comment-8689</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 22:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would like to agree with K that that is an excellent post and so very &lt;em&gt;right.&lt;/em&gt; I was boggled when various PWS decided to hold up Joe Biden as the great role model of a successful PWS when he talked about &lt;em&gt;overcoming&lt;/em&gt; it. I mean, gee, great, that&#039;s wonderful for you - what about those of us who really truly honestly can&#039;t?

And also, from a more personal point of view... it&#039;s hard to gauge stuttering severity because it varies so widely, but I suspect I fall more on the moderate to severe end of the spectrum. I&#039;m not covert and have never been able to pass for fluent except for a short period after speech therapy; it&#039;s only rarely severe enough to really hamper communication, I think, but even in my highly-fluent periods the stutter is definitely noticeable. I don&#039;t mind this so much - speech therapy made me realise that there are things I definitely like about not being able to be covert. It&#039;s easier on my nerves when I don&#039;t have to worry about when people will find out, and I definitely noticed I felt much more ashamed of my speech when I felt as if I had the /option/ to be fluent. So in some ways I&#039;m very glad to have had a more severe stutter and I definitely don&#039;t want to act as if I&#039;m somehow worse off than a covert stutterer.

That said, it really frustrates me when of all the famous role models! and historical PWS! hardly any of them, well, overtly stutter. Maybe they&#039;re covert, maybe they lost it as a kid, maybe they only stutter in certain situations, maybe they ~*~overcame~*~ it (insert the confetti and oohing crowd here) - at any rate, so many of them sound fluent or nearly fluent. And, well, &lt;em&gt;I am never going to sound like that.&lt;/em&gt; (With the possible exception of speech therapy but *that&#039;s* a topic I really don&#039;t want to get into.) When people like that are presented as the epitome of successful PWS, I get the message, &quot;some PWS can be successful. Not you, though. You stutter too much.&quot;

So for my sake, I&#039;d rather people kept their James Earl Jones and Marilyn Monroe and Winston Churchill and Joe Biden and whoever to themselves and instead talked about, say, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.stammering.org/stutteringlecturer.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this lecturer with a stutter.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would like to agree with K that that is an excellent post and so very <em>right.</em> I was boggled when various PWS decided to hold up Joe Biden as the great role model of a successful PWS when he talked about <em>overcoming</em> it. I mean, gee, great, that&#8217;s wonderful for you &#8211; what about those of us who really truly honestly can&#8217;t?</p>
<p>And also, from a more personal point of view&#8230; it&#8217;s hard to gauge stuttering severity because it varies so widely, but I suspect I fall more on the moderate to severe end of the spectrum. I&#8217;m not covert and have never been able to pass for fluent except for a short period after speech therapy; it&#8217;s only rarely severe enough to really hamper communication, I think, but even in my highly-fluent periods the stutter is definitely noticeable. I don&#8217;t mind this so much &#8211; speech therapy made me realise that there are things I definitely like about not being able to be covert. It&#8217;s easier on my nerves when I don&#8217;t have to worry about when people will find out, and I definitely noticed I felt much more ashamed of my speech when I felt as if I had the /option/ to be fluent. So in some ways I&#8217;m very glad to have had a more severe stutter and I definitely don&#8217;t want to act as if I&#8217;m somehow worse off than a covert stutterer.</p>
<p>That said, it really frustrates me when of all the famous role models! and historical PWS! hardly any of them, well, overtly stutter. Maybe they&#8217;re covert, maybe they lost it as a kid, maybe they only stutter in certain situations, maybe they ~*~overcame~*~ it (insert the confetti and oohing crowd here) &#8211; at any rate, so many of them sound fluent or nearly fluent. And, well, <em>I am never going to sound like that.</em> (With the possible exception of speech therapy but *that&#8217;s* a topic I really don&#8217;t want to get into.) When people like that are presented as the epitome of successful PWS, I get the message, &#8220;some PWS can be successful. Not you, though. You stutter too much.&#8221;</p>
<p>So for my sake, I&#8217;d rather people kept their James Earl Jones and Marilyn Monroe and Winston Churchill and Joe Biden and whoever to themselves and instead talked about, say, <a href="http://www.stammering.org/stutteringlecturer.html" rel="nofollow">this lecturer with a stutter.</a></p>
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		<title>By: sarahj</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/03/03/recommended-reading-for-march-3rd/#comment-8679</link>
		<dc:creator>sarahj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*blushes* I&#039;m so flattered that y&#039;all featured me! 

@K -- I&#039;m exactly the same way. Most people see me as fluent, but I identify as covert nowadays. I doubt I&#039;ll stay like that for long though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*blushes* I&#8217;m so flattered that y&#8217;all featured me! </p>
<p>@K &#8212; I&#8217;m exactly the same way. Most people see me as fluent, but I identify as covert nowadays. I doubt I&#8217;ll stay like that for long though.</p>
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		<title>By: codeman38</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/03/03/recommended-reading-for-march-3rd/#comment-8672</link>
		<dc:creator>codeman38</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 18:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jonquil: &quot;I’m betting, however, that my health insurance company will continue to have a separate gateway pre-auth company I have to call for mental health — something that is, of course, very difficult to do if you have depression.&quot;

Particularly fun if one has hearing or speech issues that make the process of calling the company something that practically takes up one&#039;s entire supply of &#039;spoons&#039;. And who wants to bet they&#039;ll not know how to deal with a relay call?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jonquil: &#8220;I’m betting, however, that my health insurance company will continue to have a separate gateway pre-auth company I have to call for mental health — something that is, of course, very difficult to do if you have depression.&#8221;</p>
<p>Particularly fun if one has hearing or speech issues that make the process of calling the company something that practically takes up one&#8217;s entire supply of &#8216;spoons&#8217;. And who wants to bet they&#8217;ll not know how to deal with a relay call?</p>
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		<title>By: K</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/03/03/recommended-reading-for-march-3rd/#comment-8668</link>
		<dc:creator>K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 17:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So much WORD on the stuttering post. I would like to see more celebrities open up about it, so it wasn&#039;t this weird, shameful issue.

I really dislike the &quot;overcoming&quot; language. Some of us do have some control over our fluency, and some people may sound fluent but aren&#039;t. I&#039;m one of them. I&#039;m constantly aware of what I&#039;m saying, what words are &quot;easier&quot; for me to say, and I have a broad enough vocabulary that I sound strange sometimes but I &quot;pass&quot; as fluent. It&#039;s not ideal for me, but it&#039;s habit now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So much WORD on the stuttering post. I would like to see more celebrities open up about it, so it wasn&#8217;t this weird, shameful issue.</p>
<p>I really dislike the &#8220;overcoming&#8221; language. Some of us do have some control over our fluency, and some people may sound fluent but aren&#8217;t. I&#8217;m one of them. I&#8217;m constantly aware of what I&#8217;m saying, what words are &#8220;easier&#8221; for me to say, and I have a broad enough vocabulary that I sound strange sometimes but I &#8220;pass&#8221; as fluent. It&#8217;s not ideal for me, but it&#8217;s habit now.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonquil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonquil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 17:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The news about freaking equal coverage for mental health benefits is SO AWESOME.

I&#039;m betting, however, that my health insurance company will continue to have a separate gateway pre-auth company I have to call for mental health -- something that is, of course, very difficult to do if you have depression.

&quot;Woodman&#039;s Market, a grocery store chain that employs 2,800 people and is based in Janesville, Wis., is among them.

&quot;We can&#039;t have an open checkbook,&quot; company vice president Clint Woodman told the Capital Times in Madison.  &quot;If an employee went to a psychiatrist and ran up a million dollars, it would come out of our pockets,&quot; he said.  When asked about an employee who incurred similar expenses after a cancer diagnosis, Woodman said in the Capital Times: &quot;Cancer is different. That&#039;s an identifiable physical situation.&quot;&quot;

From your link...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The news about freaking equal coverage for mental health benefits is SO AWESOME.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m betting, however, that my health insurance company will continue to have a separate gateway pre-auth company I have to call for mental health &#8212; something that is, of course, very difficult to do if you have depression.</p>
<p>&#8220;Woodman&#8217;s Market, a grocery store chain that employs 2,800 people and is based in Janesville, Wis., is among them.</p>
<p>&#8220;We can&#8217;t have an open checkbook,&#8221; company vice president Clint Woodman told the Capital Times in Madison.  &#8220;If an employee went to a psychiatrist and ran up a million dollars, it would come out of our pockets,&#8221; he said.  When asked about an employee who incurred similar expenses after a cancer diagnosis, Woodman said in the Capital Times: &#8220;Cancer is different. That&#8217;s an identifiable physical situation.&#8221;"</p>
<p>From your link&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 13:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree on that comment about the expression &#039;the disabled&#039;. I really detest it. It contributes to the impression of us as &#039;you know, that group. over there somewhere. not part of society&#039;, and de-individualizes us. (Likewise &#039;the elderly&#039; - I&#039;ve always thought that the American term, &#039;senior citizens&#039; sounds a lot more respectful of age, and emphasizes that, as *citizens*, older people are part of society.) 

It also plays into a problem hinted at above when someone says, &#039;Kerb cuts and automatic doors help everybody, not just disabled people,&#039; - that when we&#039;re seen as some kind of problematic Other, the fact that a lot of disability accommodations are just common sense gets lost and such accommodations get seen as unreasonable. After all, on days when I&#039;m walking, I appreciate an automatic door when I have a lot of heavy bags. If I were pushing a pram, as opposed to using my wheelchair, I&#039;d be happy to find a kerb cut... this kind of thing ought to be remembered when accommodations are being ruled out on the grounds of &#039;cost&#039; or &#039;hassle&#039;. 

Though maybe this is a dangerous argument to make... it could be used to imply that accommodations for disabled people are not valuable in their own right, which is not what I want to say at all. I guess it&#039;s complicated...

I love that captioned theatre performance - it&#039;d be so great if that happened everywhere!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree on that comment about the expression &#8216;the disabled&#8217;. I really detest it. It contributes to the impression of us as &#8216;you know, that group. over there somewhere. not part of society&#8217;, and de-individualizes us. (Likewise &#8216;the elderly&#8217; &#8211; I&#8217;ve always thought that the American term, &#8216;senior citizens&#8217; sounds a lot more respectful of age, and emphasizes that, as *citizens*, older people are part of society.) </p>
<p>It also plays into a problem hinted at above when someone says, &#8216;Kerb cuts and automatic doors help everybody, not just disabled people,&#8217; &#8211; that when we&#8217;re seen as some kind of problematic Other, the fact that a lot of disability accommodations are just common sense gets lost and such accommodations get seen as unreasonable. After all, on days when I&#8217;m walking, I appreciate an automatic door when I have a lot of heavy bags. If I were pushing a pram, as opposed to using my wheelchair, I&#8217;d be happy to find a kerb cut&#8230; this kind of thing ought to be remembered when accommodations are being ruled out on the grounds of &#8216;cost&#8217; or &#8216;hassle&#8217;. </p>
<p>Though maybe this is a dangerous argument to make&#8230; it could be used to imply that accommodations for disabled people are not valuable in their own right, which is not what I want to say at all. I guess it&#8217;s complicated&#8230;</p>
<p>I love that captioned theatre performance &#8211; it&#8217;d be so great if that happened everywhere!</p>
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