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		<title>By: Swinburne</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/02/28/feminism-objectifies-women/#comment-13289</link>
		<dc:creator>Swinburne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 02:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first thing I said when linked to this was, &quot;...wait.&quot;  The next words into my keyboard were, &quot;Hm.  Fascinating.  Thanks for the link!&quot;

I&#039;m not in a good spot to go in-depth right now, but I&#039;m glad you&#039;ve found a way to say in writing something I&#039;ve been trying to articulate in in-person conversations with far too many people.  This should be about as basic and obvious as... I cannot even think of something as basic and obvious as this should be.  And yet I&#039;ve never seen anybody else acknowledge this.

Thank you so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first thing I said when linked to this was, &#8220;&#8230;wait.&#8221;  The next words into my keyboard were, &#8220;Hm.  Fascinating.  Thanks for the link!&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not in a good spot to go in-depth right now, but I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;ve found a way to say in writing something I&#8217;ve been trying to articulate in in-person conversations with far too many people.  This should be about as basic and obvious as&#8230; I cannot even think of something as basic and obvious as this should be.  And yet I&#8217;ve never seen anybody else acknowledge this.</p>
<p>Thank you so much.</p>
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		<title>By: kaninchenzero</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/02/28/feminism-objectifies-women/#comment-8958</link>
		<dc:creator>kaninchenzero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 20:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&lt;a title=&quot;A Manor of Mixed Blessings&quot; href=&quot;http://manorofmixedblessings.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Slave2tehTink&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;, I totally agree with everything you have said about combat boots!  All of that applies to my ten-hole (I have two versions of the same pair of &lt;a title=&quot;Stompers Boots: Gripfast 10 Eye&quot; href=&quot;http://www.stompersboots.com/gtwy_laceup-071.php#GripFastLaceUps&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gripfast boots&lt;/a&gt;) boots.  It&#039;s the twenty-four-hole pair that come up to my knees and are not far from corsets for my lower legs and take me a half hour and a fistful full of spoons to get into that are not quite so sensible.  I could have gotten some (not Gripfast and thus without the screws in the soles I love so much) that had a zipper as well as laces which would have made getting into and out of them much easier, upping the sensibility factor considerably.

But with &lt;em&gt;these&lt;/em&gt; boots I was, and remain, not interested in being &lt;em&gt;sensible&lt;/em&gt;.  :D
.-= kaninchenzero´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://kaninchenzero.livejournal.com/251256.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Re: Trust Me&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a title="A Manor of Mixed Blessings" href="http://manorofmixedblessings.com" rel="nofollow">Slave2tehTink</a></b>, I totally agree with everything you have said about combat boots!  All of that applies to my ten-hole (I have two versions of the same pair of <a title="Stompers Boots: Gripfast 10 Eye" href="http://www.stompersboots.com/gtwy_laceup-071.php#GripFastLaceUps" rel="nofollow">Gripfast boots</a>) boots.  It&#8217;s the twenty-four-hole pair that come up to my knees and are not far from corsets for my lower legs and take me a half hour and a fistful full of spoons to get into that are not quite so sensible.  I could have gotten some (not Gripfast and thus without the screws in the soles I love so much) that had a zipper as well as laces which would have made getting into and out of them much easier, upping the sensibility factor considerably.</p>
<p>But with <em>these</em> boots I was, and remain, not interested in being <em>sensible</em>.  <img src='http://disabledfeminists.com/fwd/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
.-= kaninchenzero´s last blog ..<a href="http://kaninchenzero.livejournal.com/251256.html" rel="nofollow">Re: Trust Me</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Slave2tehTink</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/02/28/feminism-objectifies-women/#comment-8931</link>
		<dc:creator>Slave2tehTink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 09:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...I defy anyone to explain to me just what is sensible about big stompy steel-toed twenty-four-hole combat boots. Is it just that they don’t have much in the way of heels?&quot;

I could not resist engaging this, being a habitual wearer of combat boots.  Mine have any number of things going for them: the steel toes keep me from hurting myself when I am tired and stumble.  The soles are designed to have traction even when wet.  As a bonus, the soles are also rated safe for working with live electrical circuits, which was a concern while I was still in the Navy but not so much now.  The tall tops provide excellent support for my ankles, which were grievously sprained in boot camp and one of which now rolls to the outside when I am tired.  Because of the way they&#039;re made, it&#039;s easy to find insoles for them that give me fantastic arch and heel support, which help in keeping my poor back from being any more painful than it has to be.

My combat boots are, in fact, the most comfortable and practical pair of shoes I own, and it is a constant annoyance to me that I work in an office where I can only wear them on casual Fridays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;I defy anyone to explain to me just what is sensible about big stompy steel-toed twenty-four-hole combat boots. Is it just that they don’t have much in the way of heels?&#8221;</p>
<p>I could not resist engaging this, being a habitual wearer of combat boots.  Mine have any number of things going for them: the steel toes keep me from hurting myself when I am tired and stumble.  The soles are designed to have traction even when wet.  As a bonus, the soles are also rated safe for working with live electrical circuits, which was a concern while I was still in the Navy but not so much now.  The tall tops provide excellent support for my ankles, which were grievously sprained in boot camp and one of which now rolls to the outside when I am tired.  Because of the way they&#8217;re made, it&#8217;s easy to find insoles for them that give me fantastic arch and heel support, which help in keeping my poor back from being any more painful than it has to be.</p>
<p>My combat boots are, in fact, the most comfortable and practical pair of shoes I own, and it is a constant annoyance to me that I work in an office where I can only wear them on casual Fridays.</p>
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		<title>By: Naomi</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/02/28/feminism-objectifies-women/#comment-8761</link>
		<dc:creator>Naomi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 08:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent points. The misguided approach of some feminists who treat women as a homogeneous group has been exposed by some writers - just as the problem of treating disabled people as a homogeneous group has by others. It&#039;s still a dominant ideology, though. The voices of disabled women urgently need to break into the feminist movement. But that will only happen if non-disabled women choose to listen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent points. The misguided approach of some feminists who treat women as a homogeneous group has been exposed by some writers &#8211; just as the problem of treating disabled people as a homogeneous group has by others. It&#8217;s still a dominant ideology, though. The voices of disabled women urgently need to break into the feminist movement. But that will only happen if non-disabled women choose to listen.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/02/28/feminism-objectifies-women/#comment-8746</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 02:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;re wondering why moderation on this particular thread is going very slowly, please &lt;a href = &quot;http://disabledfeminists.com/comments-policy/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;consult the comment policy&lt;/a&gt;, specifically this bit:

&quot;Please be aware that moderation can take up to 36 hours, as we have contributors all over the world and we often attempt to achieve consensus before deleting or allowing a contentious comment. The moderator responsible for the post in question may also be away or indisposed, in which case you may see comments going up while yours is held in moderation because those comments are deemed acceptable by other moderators, but your comment is waiting for the attention of the original author.&quot;

This isn&#039;t about any of the comments sitting in moderation right now, just a reminder that the author of this post is a disabled woman who has not had the spoons to get back into the comments and moderate them as she finds appropriate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re wondering why moderation on this particular thread is going very slowly, please <a href = "http://disabledfeminists.com/comments-policy/" rel="nofollow">consult the comment policy</a>, specifically this bit:</p>
<p>&#8220;Please be aware that moderation can take up to 36 hours, as we have contributors all over the world and we often attempt to achieve consensus before deleting or allowing a contentious comment. The moderator responsible for the post in question may also be away or indisposed, in which case you may see comments going up while yours is held in moderation because those comments are deemed acceptable by other moderators, but your comment is waiting for the attention of the original author.&#8221;</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t about any of the comments sitting in moderation right now, just a reminder that the author of this post is a disabled woman who has not had the spoons to get back into the comments and moderate them as she finds appropriate.</p>
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		<title>By: amandaw</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/02/28/feminism-objectifies-women/#comment-8703</link>
		<dc:creator>amandaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 12:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just FYI, people, I have had a total of about 3 hours online since Sunday when I put this post up. There are a few comments still in mod because I haven&#039;t had the energy to read them. I&#039;d like to remind everyone of our comments policy, which mentions that &lt;a href=&quot;http://disabledfeminists.com/about/#delay&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;moderation takes time&lt;/a&gt;. I am working full-time with a disability and that means I don&#039;t have much energy to spare online during the work week. I will attend to this thread when time and energy permits; in the meantime, please be patient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just FYI, people, I have had a total of about 3 hours online since Sunday when I put this post up. There are a few comments still in mod because I haven&#8217;t had the energy to read them. I&#8217;d like to remind everyone of our comments policy, which mentions that <a href="http://disabledfeminists.com/about/#delay" rel="nofollow">moderation takes time</a>. I am working full-time with a disability and that means I don&#8217;t have much energy to spare online during the work week. I will attend to this thread when time and energy permits; in the meantime, please be patient.</p>
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		<title>By: thehyacinthgirl</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/02/28/feminism-objectifies-women/#comment-8644</link>
		<dc:creator>thehyacinthgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 07:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the priorities and discourse of mainstream feminism exclude many women. As a queer woman with multiple disabilities, and a former sex worker, I have experienced this.

However, I was under the impression that the *problem* with &quot;choice feminism&quot; is that certain (privileged) women have more choices than others. For instance: White, thin, middle class sex-workers may have more choices in terms of clients, location, and specific activities performed. Immigrant, working-class woman of color, or those who do not fit conventional standards of beauty often have less. Abled women and those in heterosexual marriages have more choices/opportunities when it comes to adopting children than lesbians or disabled women do. Women with class privilege can decide whether they wish to participate in expensive beauty rituals, while poor women cannot. Etc, etc.

My argument against choice feminism has always been, do all women have equal access to such choices? To me, the very idea of choice itself implies privilege.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the priorities and discourse of mainstream feminism exclude many women. As a queer woman with multiple disabilities, and a former sex worker, I have experienced this.</p>
<p>However, I was under the impression that the *problem* with &#8220;choice feminism&#8221; is that certain (privileged) women have more choices than others. For instance: White, thin, middle class sex-workers may have more choices in terms of clients, location, and specific activities performed. Immigrant, working-class woman of color, or those who do not fit conventional standards of beauty often have less. Abled women and those in heterosexual marriages have more choices/opportunities when it comes to adopting children than lesbians or disabled women do. Women with class privilege can decide whether they wish to participate in expensive beauty rituals, while poor women cannot. Etc, etc.</p>
<p>My argument against choice feminism has always been, do all women have equal access to such choices? To me, the very idea of choice itself implies privilege.</p>
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		<title>By: doubletrack</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/02/28/feminism-objectifies-women/#comment-8642</link>
		<dc:creator>doubletrack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 06:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, and really eye-opening for me as someone who has (embarrassingly) engaged in this kind of objectification of other feminists. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, and really eye-opening for me as someone who has (embarrassingly) engaged in this kind of objectification of other feminists. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: kaninchenzero</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/02/28/feminism-objectifies-women/#comment-8580</link>
		<dc:creator>kaninchenzero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 22:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>icybear, no one has said that every choice any woman makes is completely awesome and totally feminist and advances women&#039;s freedom.  What we are saying is that the frames constructed by mainstream feminism depend on definitions of womanhood, femininity, and oppression that have no relevance whatsoever to many women&#039;s lives.  Yet those same feminists claim to represent us all, claim to be able to define what is and what is not harmful to us all, and want us to work in support of them without ever acknowledging the bigotry and supremacy in their movement or working to advance issues important to us.

And no one&#039;s saying &quot;choice feminism&quot; is the awesomest thing ever either.  Of course we are constrained by our physical social economic environments.  We &lt;em&gt;never&lt;/em&gt; have complete freedom of choice.  Often we have only shitty options available and it&#039;s really difficult to figure out which might be least shitty.  It&#039;s just the term used to denigrate us when we point out that, forex, claiming that the feminist thing to do when a cis woman marries a cis man is to keep the last name she had before she was married.  That this claim erases the experiences and needs of a great many women and tells them they are &lt;em&gt;harming women&lt;/em&gt; for having done so.  This is when they start talking about &quot;choice feminism.&quot;

And seriously, you&#039;re calling a group of people working together to run a social-justice-oriented blog &lt;em&gt;individualists&lt;/em&gt;?  Do engage the text, please.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>icybear, no one has said that every choice any woman makes is completely awesome and totally feminist and advances women&#8217;s freedom.  What we are saying is that the frames constructed by mainstream feminism depend on definitions of womanhood, femininity, and oppression that have no relevance whatsoever to many women&#8217;s lives.  Yet those same feminists claim to represent us all, claim to be able to define what is and what is not harmful to us all, and want us to work in support of them without ever acknowledging the bigotry and supremacy in their movement or working to advance issues important to us.</p>
<p>And no one&#8217;s saying &#8220;choice feminism&#8221; is the awesomest thing ever either.  Of course we are constrained by our physical social economic environments.  We <em>never</em> have complete freedom of choice.  Often we have only shitty options available and it&#8217;s really difficult to figure out which might be least shitty.  It&#8217;s just the term used to denigrate us when we point out that, forex, claiming that the feminist thing to do when a cis woman marries a cis man is to keep the last name she had before she was married.  That this claim erases the experiences and needs of a great many women and tells them they are <em>harming women</em> for having done so.  This is when they start talking about &#8220;choice feminism.&#8221;</p>
<p>And seriously, you&#8217;re calling a group of people working together to run a social-justice-oriented blog <em>individualists</em>?  Do engage the text, please.<br />
.-= kaninchenzero´s last blog ..<a href="http://kaninchenzero.livejournal.com/251256.html" rel="nofollow">Re: Trust Me</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Tlönista</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/02/28/feminism-objectifies-women/#comment-8574</link>
		<dc:creator>Tlönista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This perfectly sums up my issues with feminism. I&#039;ve learned that just because someone is a feminist doesn&#039;t mean she&#039;ll, say, remember my queerness when she talks about relationships, or remember my disability when she talks about healthcare. Many of the women whose work and writing inspire me most have disavowed feminism…and that says something about the movement, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This perfectly sums up my issues with feminism. I&#8217;ve learned that just because someone is a feminist doesn&#8217;t mean she&#8217;ll, say, remember my queerness when she talks about relationships, or remember my disability when she talks about healthcare. Many of the women whose work and writing inspire me most have disavowed feminism…and that says something about the movement, I think.</p>
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