7 responses to “Vegetative States and Terrifying Implications”

  1. Sarah TX

    Excellent post. However, I’m a bit concerned with the article in the Telegraph because it is reporting on research from Dr. Adrian Owen, who is a close collaborator with Dr. Steven Laureys, who is at least complicit in several cases where a locked-in patient is forced to use Facilitated Communication. I am waiting on independent research that corroborates Dr. Laurey’s results.

    This should not be tolerated for any living human being, whether or not consciousness is present, and reform in such facilities is urgently needed. There must be better systems in place for reporting, identifying, and addressing abuse, and it is my hope that these studies will increase the pressure for change among people who may not have considered such issues previously.

    Yes yes yes yes yes. Perfectly stated.

  2. hsofia

    Long term “care” facilities where “patients” are basically shelved like inanimate objects should be illegal. It is so distressing that in the richest nation in the world, this is even happening.

  3. Amanda

    The existence of “good” facilities is the exception, not the rule, as the power structures in such places practically guarantee abuse and require exceptionally ethical people to overcome that. Goodness is in spite of the places, not because of them. You should not have to place a disclaimer that many such places are probably good, the idea that they are is primarily wishful thinking on the part of the nondisabled. Even the best such places, which are without overt abuse or neglect, place restrictions on the residents that no nondisabled person would allow themselves put under. The fact that disabled people are pressured to find any such environment acceptable, is part of the oppression of disabled people as a whole. Which is why the majority of disability rights activists are firmly opposed to the existence of these places (and anyone who thinks they are less expensive, or provide more care than a person could ever get on the outside, has probably heard too much propaganda from the nursing home lobby). Which is why there is no reason at all for such a disclaimer to have to exist on a blog like this one, or for people to assume that reform within the existing system, rather than replacing it with a system totally unlike this (and in which nondisabled people would not mind living) is the answer to the problems caused by these places.

  4. Astrid

    When I read about the study about “vegetative” patients being able to communicate using MRI brain responses, the issue of misdiagnosis of blind locked-in patients came to mind with me, too, but I was unaware there was actual data suggesting this actually happens. This is very shocking news to me.

    Beyond this, however, like you point out, it shouldn’t be about abled people’s definitions of “responsiveness” and “communication”. Even the current MRI communication method (which is probably quite expensive, so I’m pretty sure there will be people deemed not “deserving” it) will be unsuitable for a number of people. Researchers or doctors, who by definition have a fair bit of conventional communication skill, should not be deciding for other humans whether they “deserve” quality care. Their abled privilege will always show if they do. (The same goes for us if we make these judgments, of course, since by being on the Internet we demonstrate some conventional communication skill, too, but since your references were to medical studies I’m using that.)

  5. Elana

    This post brings back memories of the Terri Schiavo case from a few years ago.

    I remember arguments from one side stating that care should be continued until “natural death” (which wasn’t well defined) regardless of whether or not the patient was conscious on any level, and arguments from the other side saying that her life wasn’t worth living and treatment should be ended. And arguments from both sides as to who should legally be able to make that decision.

    I don’t remember any intelligent discussion about the accuracy of vegetative state diagnoses or about the ableism inherent in trying to determine for someone else that their life isn’t worth living.

    I guess I still don’t know what the right thing is to do in a situation where someone isn’t conscious in any measurable way, where there is no indication that they ever will be, and where they have never expressed their own wishes.

    But I do think its impossible to make the right decision without understanding the limitations of tools used for measuring consciousness and when ableism plays into it.

  6. shiva

    I agree with Amanda. There is absolutely no need for that disclaimer, and in fact IMO it seriously weakens the post (as well as defending the utterly indefensible).

    The problem is not that there are too many “bad long-term “care” facilities” relative to “good long-term “care” facilities”. The problem is that the concept of such a “facility” exists at all. The thing itself is the abuse.

    (Incidentally, the post of Amanda’s which i linked to there, which describes far better than i could how the institutions which seem “quite lovely and very nice to be in” can actually be worse than the blatantly-horrible ones, has lost its images and become a bit messed up in formatting as a result of this – Amanda, i don’t know if you were aware of that? I think it might have happened in one of your recent template changes, judging by similar things that have happened to some of my older posts.)

    While there might well be people who claim that they have had positive experiences in such places, this is due to the incredibly powerful processes of internalising oppression that happen there – it’s comparable to women in abusive relationships defending their abusers (but compounded by the fact that the vast majority of society doesn’t even remotely recognise the power structures of institutions as abusive, due to how deeply ingrained unconscious disablism is in Western society). “A good institution” should be seen as as oxymoronic a phrase as “a good rape”.

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