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		<title>By: Lake Desire</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/02/04/battlestar-galactica-disability-in-space/#comment-7661</link>
		<dc:creator>Lake Desire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 01:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;ve articulated a big critique of the primitivist ending of BSG, oliemoon.  It echoes the eugenics mentality of the early 1900s... letting the &quot;undesirable&quot; population die for the &quot;greater&quot; social good.  No thanks!  

I like that Lee proposed giving up technology because it makes for an interesting discussion, but I think it should have been a point of conflict.  Since when have the 50,000 survivors ever agreed on anything in BSG?  A pro-tech faction could have broken off and left Earth, or some catastrophe could have prevented the remaining humans &amp; cylons from building a new civilization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;ve articulated a big critique of the primitivist ending of BSG, oliemoon.  It echoes the eugenics mentality of the early 1900s&#8230; letting the &#8220;undesirable&#8221; population die for the &#8220;greater&#8221; social good.  No thanks!  </p>
<p>I like that Lee proposed giving up technology because it makes for an interesting discussion, but I think it should have been a point of conflict.  Since when have the 50,000 survivors ever agreed on anything in BSG?  A pro-tech faction could have broken off and left Earth, or some catastrophe could have prevented the remaining humans &amp; cylons from building a new civilization.</p>
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		<title>By: oliemoon</title>
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		<dc:creator>oliemoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In addition to the killing off of Sam, I think the whole &quot;let&#039;s renounce technology!&quot; decision at the end of the show was fairly ableist. What about all of the people who need technology to survive? Getting rid of technology means getting rid of all of the medical advancements that have been made, that many people rely on to live (baby Nicky anyone?). It also means getting rid of all prosthetics and wheelchairs. 

@Lake Desire

There&#039;s an interesting interview with Jane Espenson &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.afterelton.com/people/2010/01/jane-espenson&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;over at AfterElton&lt;/a&gt;, and she talks about the potential problem of their (so far) only queer and poly characters being villainous. At least we know that the writing staff for Caprica is aware of the issue, so I am hopeful. 

@Marie

&lt;i&gt;The technology of the colonies and cylons cannot continue to exist . . . It’s not a matter of “we can’t communicate with him, toss him!” – it’s a matter of starting anew.&lt;/i&gt;

There&#039;s never really any solid reason given for why they absolutely have to abandon tech. Lee just kinda feels like it would be a good idea and everyone else miraculously goes along with it. I find it telling that they don&#039;t consider the life of Sam (and other people who require technology to live) as a worthy reason to continue to use technology. The message that sent to me was that the lives of disabled folk were considered expendable for the supposed greater good of the abled. 

RE: Gaeta and Cain. The problem was not that the show tried to correlate their sexuality with evilness, it&#039;s that the &lt;i&gt;only&lt;/i&gt; queer characters depicted in the show were evil and had to be killed. There are no positive portrayals of queer characters (given that Hoshi was never written to be queer, it was tacked on after they completed filming season four) on the show. Quoting from &lt;a href=&quot;http://saraspeaking.wordpress.com/2010/02/08/wheels-on-the-bus-redux/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;: &quot;[If] there is no context for this group outside of the token character you’ve included, [that] means that the weight of your opinions, feelings, etc. about that group only have an outlet through that character.&quot; If Moore et. al had done a better job writing non-heterosexual characters into the show, then Gaeta/Cain wouldn&#039;t have mattered because they wouldn&#039;t be the sole representations of queerness on BSG.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In addition to the killing off of Sam, I think the whole &#8220;let&#8217;s renounce technology!&#8221; decision at the end of the show was fairly ableist. What about all of the people who need technology to survive? Getting rid of technology means getting rid of all of the medical advancements that have been made, that many people rely on to live (baby Nicky anyone?). It also means getting rid of all prosthetics and wheelchairs. </p>
<p>@Lake Desire</p>
<p>There&#8217;s an interesting interview with Jane Espenson <a href="http://www.afterelton.com/people/2010/01/jane-espenson" rel="nofollow">over at AfterElton</a>, and she talks about the potential problem of their (so far) only queer and poly characters being villainous. At least we know that the writing staff for Caprica is aware of the issue, so I am hopeful. </p>
<p>@Marie</p>
<p><i>The technology of the colonies and cylons cannot continue to exist . . . It’s not a matter of “we can’t communicate with him, toss him!” – it’s a matter of starting anew.</i></p>
<p>There&#8217;s never really any solid reason given for why they absolutely have to abandon tech. Lee just kinda feels like it would be a good idea and everyone else miraculously goes along with it. I find it telling that they don&#8217;t consider the life of Sam (and other people who require technology to live) as a worthy reason to continue to use technology. The message that sent to me was that the lives of disabled folk were considered expendable for the supposed greater good of the abled. </p>
<p>RE: Gaeta and Cain. The problem was not that the show tried to correlate their sexuality with evilness, it&#8217;s that the <i>only</i> queer characters depicted in the show were evil and had to be killed. There are no positive portrayals of queer characters (given that Hoshi was never written to be queer, it was tacked on after they completed filming season four) on the show. Quoting from <a href="http://saraspeaking.wordpress.com/2010/02/08/wheels-on-the-bus-redux/" rel="nofollow">here</a>: &#8220;[If] there is no context for this group outside of the token character you’ve included, [that] means that the weight of your opinions, feelings, etc. about that group only have an outlet through that character.&#8221; If Moore et. al had done a better job writing non-heterosexual characters into the show, then Gaeta/Cain wouldn&#8217;t have mattered because they wouldn&#8217;t be the sole representations of queerness on BSG.</p>
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		<title>By: AWV</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/02/04/battlestar-galactica-disability-in-space/#comment-7580</link>
		<dc:creator>AWV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 13:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s so awesome that they did it to keep Michael Trucco in the show when he was injured! Given how many shows are reluctant to hire actors with disabilities, etc., as there are FWD posts about from time to time, it&#039;s really refreshing that they found a way to work around their actor&#039;s temporary disability, instead of just assuming he couldn&#039;t do his job anymore.

And I&#039;m excited that there will be a nice scene between Felix and Gaius; they&#039;re two of my favorites. It&#039;s funny that when I saw this original post I immediately thought of Gaius, and then realized there was no feasible way to read him as disabled. I just relate to his apparent absence from himself during periods of stress, even though I don&#039;t have a HeadSix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s so awesome that they did it to keep Michael Trucco in the show when he was injured! Given how many shows are reluctant to hire actors with disabilities, etc., as there are FWD posts about from time to time, it&#8217;s really refreshing that they found a way to work around their actor&#8217;s temporary disability, instead of just assuming he couldn&#8217;t do his job anymore.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m excited that there will be a nice scene between Felix and Gaius; they&#8217;re two of my favorites. It&#8217;s funny that when I saw this original post I immediately thought of Gaius, and then realized there was no feasible way to read him as disabled. I just relate to his apparent absence from himself during periods of stress, even though I don&#8217;t have a HeadSix.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/02/04/battlestar-galactica-disability-in-space/#comment-7579</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 11:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About the Anders/Hybrid storyline--I wasn&#039;t too into it, but there&#039;s something interesting about it from a real-life perspective.  The actor, Michael Trucco, was in a car accident before they started shooting the last season, and fractured his neck (almost exactly the same injury Christopher Reeve had).  I&#039;m not sure if he still wasn&#039;t able to walk during filming, or if they just weren&#039;t sure when they wrote the episodes how much/if he would recover from the injury, but at any rate they wrote it that way because he was disabled and they wanted to find a way to accommodate that.  So many people got killed off on that show, and it would have been really easy to just have his character die, and say to the actor, &quot;Sorry, we care about you, but you just can&#039;t do the part we wanted for you anymore, so you&#039;re out of a job.&quot;    

I also agree with the people who thought Felix Gaeta&#039;s final storyline fit with his character development and that we weren&#039;t supposed to see him as the bad guy.  Even if (almost) all the characters did in the end.  Something I liked about that show was that sometimes all the &quot;really good&quot; characters--Adama, Kara, etc--would just NOT GET IT and sometimes never see the other side.  In Gaeta&#039;s case it was only very slimy Gaius Baltar who ended up telling him, genuinely, that he knew Gaeta and that he was a good person.  In a scene which totally made me cry.

The sexuality stuff, I am ambivalent about.  On the one hand, when they addressed it, it came up as a matter-of-fact thing.  However, it was only shown directly in the &quot;extras.&quot;  I bet most fans watched those, honestly, because they (um...we) were an obsessive bunch.  But still, the same sex kissing not shown in the normal series.  (Indirectly I think it was portrayed from the beginning.  I was certain in season one that Gaeta had a serious crush on Baltar, and there was speculation for a long time was that the character was gay.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About the Anders/Hybrid storyline&#8211;I wasn&#8217;t too into it, but there&#8217;s something interesting about it from a real-life perspective.  The actor, Michael Trucco, was in a car accident before they started shooting the last season, and fractured his neck (almost exactly the same injury Christopher Reeve had).  I&#8217;m not sure if he still wasn&#8217;t able to walk during filming, or if they just weren&#8217;t sure when they wrote the episodes how much/if he would recover from the injury, but at any rate they wrote it that way because he was disabled and they wanted to find a way to accommodate that.  So many people got killed off on that show, and it would have been really easy to just have his character die, and say to the actor, &#8220;Sorry, we care about you, but you just can&#8217;t do the part we wanted for you anymore, so you&#8217;re out of a job.&#8221;    </p>
<p>I also agree with the people who thought Felix Gaeta&#8217;s final storyline fit with his character development and that we weren&#8217;t supposed to see him as the bad guy.  Even if (almost) all the characters did in the end.  Something I liked about that show was that sometimes all the &#8220;really good&#8221; characters&#8211;Adama, Kara, etc&#8211;would just NOT GET IT and sometimes never see the other side.  In Gaeta&#8217;s case it was only very slimy Gaius Baltar who ended up telling him, genuinely, that he knew Gaeta and that he was a good person.  In a scene which totally made me cry.</p>
<p>The sexuality stuff, I am ambivalent about.  On the one hand, when they addressed it, it came up as a matter-of-fact thing.  However, it was only shown directly in the &#8220;extras.&#8221;  I bet most fans watched those, honestly, because they (um&#8230;we) were an obsessive bunch.  But still, the same sex kissing not shown in the normal series.  (Indirectly I think it was portrayed from the beginning.  I was certain in season one that Gaeta had a serious crush on Baltar, and there was speculation for a long time was that the character was gay.)</p>
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		<title>By: meloukhia</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/02/04/battlestar-galactica-disability-in-space/#comment-7508</link>
		<dc:creator>meloukhia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 18:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Lake Desire, I am watching Caprica! And I actually just watched &lt;a href=&quot;http://meloukhia.net/2010/02/caprica_rebirth.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the episode with the plural marriage&lt;/a&gt; last night so it&#039;s very fresh in my mind. I think that Caprica is going to delve more into racial and cultural divides, or that seems to be where they are going with it, and I hope that they are going to touch upon the class system which became so contentious in &lt;em&gt;BSG&lt;/em&gt;, where Capricans were basically elevated over everyone else. Given that we&#039;re only two episodes in I&#039;m not quite ready to make sweeping judgments about it, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Lake Desire, I am watching Caprica! And I actually just watched <a href="http://meloukhia.net/2010/02/caprica_rebirth.html" rel="nofollow">the episode with the plural marriage</a> last night so it&#8217;s very fresh in my mind. I think that Caprica is going to delve more into racial and cultural divides, or that seems to be where they are going with it, and I hope that they are going to touch upon the class system which became so contentious in <em>BSG</em>, where Capricans were basically elevated over everyone else. Given that we&#8217;re only two episodes in I&#8217;m not quite ready to make sweeping judgments about it, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Lake Desire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lake Desire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 18:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone been watching the new Caprica prequel?  So far it isn&#039;t as anti-sexist and POC positive as BSG, but by the second episode we have an openly queer character.  There is also a plural marriage, but I&#039;m afraid the polyamorous folks are supposed to be villains.  :(  I don&#039;t recall any characters with disabilities either, unless you read Zoe Graystone that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone been watching the new Caprica prequel?  So far it isn&#8217;t as anti-sexist and POC positive as BSG, but by the second episode we have an openly queer character.  There is also a plural marriage, but I&#8217;m afraid the polyamorous folks are supposed to be villains.  <img src='http://disabledfeminists.com/fwd/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />   I don&#8217;t recall any characters with disabilities either, unless you read Zoe Graystone that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 14:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah, on New Caprica I a 100% thought he was totally in the right and that the show made this clear.  It was tragic that he was almost killed for collaborating when he had actually saved them all, not something he deserved, and it was indicative of how out of control and morally wrong the group doing the revenge killings was.   Of course, we didn&#039;t know, for quite a while, when we were watching it that  Gaeta was actually helping out the resistance on New Caprica.  But once we found out, I think there was no question that we were supposed to sympathize with him and respect him (even if we question his judgment for trusting Baltar in the first place, he couldn&#039;t have known where it would lead).  

His behavior during the coup was the much more ambiguous, I thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah, on New Caprica I a 100% thought he was totally in the right and that the show made this clear.  It was tragic that he was almost killed for collaborating when he had actually saved them all, not something he deserved, and it was indicative of how out of control and morally wrong the group doing the revenge killings was.   Of course, we didn&#8217;t know, for quite a while, when we were watching it that  Gaeta was actually helping out the resistance on New Caprica.  But once we found out, I think there was no question that we were supposed to sympathize with him and respect him (even if we question his judgment for trusting Baltar in the first place, he couldn&#8217;t have known where it would lead).  </p>
<p>His behavior during the coup was the much more ambiguous, I thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Ang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 10:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AWV - yes, I was thinking of the period on New Caprica. It&#039;s interesting to hear a different perspective on it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AWV &#8211; yes, I was thinking of the period on New Caprica. It&#8217;s interesting to hear a different perspective on it!</p>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 06:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never read the Gaeta thing as an issue with his disability. It&#039;s not a Bad Cripple Villain part to me. Gaeta has been shown to play sides before like this on New Caprica. He works for Baltar and the resistance AND conspires with a Cylon. He isn&#039;t morally black or white, but like most of the characters a gray area. I also believe that he largely blames the situation on the Demetrius on Kara (even though Helo shoots him in the leg). He does harbor anger over his loss. Furthermore, to some extent Gaeta is not a strong willed character and is easily controlled (The Eight, Baltar, etc) and Zarek controls him easily. This isn&#039;t a disability issue to me, it&#039;s a character issue. 

As for Anders - again. I just don&#039;t read it as a disability issue. The technology of the colonies and cylons cannot continue to exist. The Hub is destroyed, leaving Anders the only Hybrid. It&#039;s not a matter of &quot;we can&#039;t communicate with him, toss him!&quot; - it&#039;s a matter of starting anew. 

As for Admiral Cain and Gaeta and the &quot;Homosexuals are bad&quot; - still not buying it. There&#039;s never an explanation for why they are gay. There are explanations for why they do bad things. It&#039;s not the classic &quot;they were abused and so they&#039;re evil Gay Villains!&quot; - Cain lost a sister at a young age, to the the cylons. It&#039;s not surprise that should would torture a cylon period, let alone one who betrayed her trust in such a way.. Gaeta is shown repeatedly to play sides for whatever reason, and his change isn&#039;t all that out of line with his character - disability or no disability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never read the Gaeta thing as an issue with his disability. It&#8217;s not a Bad Cripple Villain part to me. Gaeta has been shown to play sides before like this on New Caprica. He works for Baltar and the resistance AND conspires with a Cylon. He isn&#8217;t morally black or white, but like most of the characters a gray area. I also believe that he largely blames the situation on the Demetrius on Kara (even though Helo shoots him in the leg). He does harbor anger over his loss. Furthermore, to some extent Gaeta is not a strong willed character and is easily controlled (The Eight, Baltar, etc) and Zarek controls him easily. This isn&#8217;t a disability issue to me, it&#8217;s a character issue. </p>
<p>As for Anders &#8211; again. I just don&#8217;t read it as a disability issue. The technology of the colonies and cylons cannot continue to exist. The Hub is destroyed, leaving Anders the only Hybrid. It&#8217;s not a matter of &#8220;we can&#8217;t communicate with him, toss him!&#8221; &#8211; it&#8217;s a matter of starting anew. </p>
<p>As for Admiral Cain and Gaeta and the &#8220;Homosexuals are bad&#8221; &#8211; still not buying it. There&#8217;s never an explanation for why they are gay. There are explanations for why they do bad things. It&#8217;s not the classic &#8220;they were abused and so they&#8217;re evil Gay Villains!&#8221; &#8211; Cain lost a sister at a young age, to the the cylons. It&#8217;s not surprise that should would torture a cylon period, let alone one who betrayed her trust in such a way.. Gaeta is shown repeatedly to play sides for whatever reason, and his change isn&#8217;t all that out of line with his character &#8211; disability or no disability.</p>
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		<title>By: QoT</title>
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		<dc:creator>QoT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 05:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@AWV - Cain and Gina&#039;s relationship is pretty clearly spelled out in the move Razor, but I&#039;m not sure that everywhere bothered to screen it since it doesn&#039;t slot in neatly between seasons!  Definitely canonical though and not treated as anything other than two people having a relationship - the protagonist Kendra seems weirded out by the fact that Admiral Cain&#039;s being affectionate and flirty with another person much more than by the fact that the other person is a woman.  Of course that also put an entirely different horrible horrible spin on what happens to Gina afterwards for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@AWV &#8211; Cain and Gina&#8217;s relationship is pretty clearly spelled out in the move Razor, but I&#8217;m not sure that everywhere bothered to screen it since it doesn&#8217;t slot in neatly between seasons!  Definitely canonical though and not treated as anything other than two people having a relationship &#8211; the protagonist Kendra seems weirded out by the fact that Admiral Cain&#8217;s being affectionate and flirty with another person much more than by the fact that the other person is a woman.  Of course that also put an entirely different horrible horrible spin on what happens to Gina afterwards for me.</p>
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