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		<title>By: meep</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/01/19/in-which-i-confuse-a-child-psychologist/#comment-9353</link>
		<dc:creator>meep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 12:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When my Dad was applying for his PhD in education in the mid 90&#039;s, he had to take the General GRE. When he earned a perfect score, the school refused to accept it because a &quot;foreign national&quot; couldn&#039;t possible have done that. Never mind that he was from an English-speaking nation (former British colony in the West Indies), or that he had a Master&#039;s Degree from London School of Economics and had been teaching in the US for 10 years (Sigh). They wouldn&#039;t even meet with him so he could state his case, they just insisted that he retake the exam. He was so disheartened by this, he just gave up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When my Dad was applying for his PhD in education in the mid 90&#8242;s, he had to take the General GRE. When he earned a perfect score, the school refused to accept it because a &#8220;foreign national&#8221; couldn&#8217;t possible have done that. Never mind that he was from an English-speaking nation (former British colony in the West Indies), or that he had a Master&#8217;s Degree from London School of Economics and had been teaching in the US for 10 years (Sigh). They wouldn&#8217;t even meet with him so he could state his case, they just insisted that he retake the exam. He was so disheartened by this, he just gave up.</p>
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		<title>By: P. G. Dudda</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/01/19/in-which-i-confuse-a-child-psychologist/#comment-6774</link>
		<dc:creator>P. G. Dudda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 01:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kaz -- heh, I was almost 4 when my family moved from Germany to the US, and I barely had a 500 word vocabulary at the time.  (Severe hearing impairment resulted in significant language delay.)  When I started school, it slowly became apparent that they had no idea what to do with a gifted kid with a significant disability!  My speech therapist had to be told I could read - even though my first-grade teacher knew I was reading well above grade level, becase she&#039;d also been my kindergarten teacher.  Unfortunately, it took them till sixth grade to recognize the connection between language delay and social-skills delay.  Uhm, a HoH kid who can&#039;t hear &lt;em&gt;isn&#039;t&lt;/em&gt; going to pick up the social cues that kids with normal hearing pick up by .. well.. hearing.  How difficult a concept is that to grasp?!  Nevermind some of the other issues we had to deal with, which my parents at least had class and skin privilege they could use to browbeat the administrators into &lt;em&gt;admitting a problem existed&lt;/em&gt;, nevermind coming up with ways to address it!  Suffice to say that my public-school education was... not a postive experience for me.  Probably the only useful thing I got out of it was learning how to do self-advocacy, because I sure wan&#039;t getting much advocacy from anyone outside my family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kaz &#8212; heh, I was almost 4 when my family moved from Germany to the US, and I barely had a 500 word vocabulary at the time.  (Severe hearing impairment resulted in significant language delay.)  When I started school, it slowly became apparent that they had no idea what to do with a gifted kid with a significant disability!  My speech therapist had to be told I could read &#8211; even though my first-grade teacher knew I was reading well above grade level, becase she&#8217;d also been my kindergarten teacher.  Unfortunately, it took them till sixth grade to recognize the connection between language delay and social-skills delay.  Uhm, a HoH kid who can&#8217;t hear <em>isn&#8217;t</em> going to pick up the social cues that kids with normal hearing pick up by .. well.. hearing.  How difficult a concept is that to grasp?!  Nevermind some of the other issues we had to deal with, which my parents at least had class and skin privilege they could use to browbeat the administrators into <em>admitting a problem existed</em>, nevermind coming up with ways to address it!  Suffice to say that my public-school education was&#8230; not a postive experience for me.  Probably the only useful thing I got out of it was learning how to do self-advocacy, because I sure wan&#8217;t getting much advocacy from anyone outside my family.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaz</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/01/19/in-which-i-confuse-a-child-psychologist/#comment-6768</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 23:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading this makes me realise how class privilege prevented this from happening to me. Because my family moved from Germany to the US when I was five and my brother was seven, but as we were an academic family in an upper-middle class neighbourhood my brother and I got put into one of the standard classes for our age group. There was an ESL group (which rather confusingly contained a British girl), but I think it was something extra and not something we missed class for - and even that was only for the first year.

The kicker? At this time neither my brother nor I spoke &lt;em&gt;any English whatsoever.&lt;/em&gt;

But I agree muchly on the communication thing. It&#039;s only recently occurred to me how much I willfully ignore the signs of people paying less attention to me and/or dismissing me because of my speech disorder because I just don&#039;t want to know how much it happens and with whom - I can already guess that the answers are &quot;rather a lot&quot; and &quot;even with people who know me quite well&quot; but I don&#039;t want to have that confirmed. :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading this makes me realise how class privilege prevented this from happening to me. Because my family moved from Germany to the US when I was five and my brother was seven, but as we were an academic family in an upper-middle class neighbourhood my brother and I got put into one of the standard classes for our age group. There was an ESL group (which rather confusingly contained a British girl), but I think it was something extra and not something we missed class for &#8211; and even that was only for the first year.</p>
<p>The kicker? At this time neither my brother nor I spoke <em>any English whatsoever.</em></p>
<p>But I agree muchly on the communication thing. It&#8217;s only recently occurred to me how much I willfully ignore the signs of people paying less attention to me and/or dismissing me because of my speech disorder because I just don&#8217;t want to know how much it happens and with whom &#8211; I can already guess that the answers are &#8220;rather a lot&#8221; and &#8220;even with people who know me quite well&#8221; but I don&#8217;t want to have that confirmed. <img src='http://disabledfeminists.com/fwd/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jayn</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/01/19/in-which-i-confuse-a-child-psychologist/#comment-6767</link>
		<dc:creator>Jayn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ruchama: I had a similar issue when I started school, which was most likely related to my bilingualism (why I didn&#039;t retain it is a rant for another day...).  I had never really picked up the &#039;th&#039; sound in English--I couldn&#039;t tell the difference between that and an F or D. Looking back, I don&#039;t know if the therapy really helped or if I just needed to spend more time with anglophones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ruchama: I had a similar issue when I started school, which was most likely related to my bilingualism (why I didn&#8217;t retain it is a rant for another day&#8230;).  I had never really picked up the &#8216;th&#8217; sound in English&#8211;I couldn&#8217;t tell the difference between that and an F or D. Looking back, I don&#8217;t know if the therapy really helped or if I just needed to spend more time with anglophones.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruchama</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/01/19/in-which-i-confuse-a-child-psychologist/#comment-6738</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruchama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 06:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of my cousins was put into speech therapy in school when his family moved to California.  The school said that he couldn&#039;t pronounce the letter R.  They neglected to realize that he&#039;d just moved to California from Massachusetts, and what they heard as a speech problem was what anybody else would call a New England accent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my cousins was put into speech therapy in school when his family moved to California.  The school said that he couldn&#8217;t pronounce the letter R.  They neglected to realize that he&#8217;d just moved to California from Massachusetts, and what they heard as a speech problem was what anybody else would call a New England accent.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaitlyn</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/01/19/in-which-i-confuse-a-child-psychologist/#comment-6724</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaitlyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 01:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good on your dad!

And I can echo the tales of it happening here.

My mom worked in a &quot;special ed&quot; class (the *sigh* &quot;high-functioning&quot; one) and there was a girl in there with no disability whatsoever, unless one considers speaking Chinese and having immigrant parents a disability.

I bet the thinking was, eh, ESL&#039;s broke*, throw her in there, she&#039;ll pick up something. Plus the parents don&#039;t care! (Or because we don&#039;t speak their language, and they&#039;re not proficient in ours... we don&#039;t care!)

*If something is messed up within a public school, various *isms are at play but most often it comes down to the lack of money. (Of course, how that money is used reveals blinkered thinking...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good on your dad!</p>
<p>And I can echo the tales of it happening here.</p>
<p>My mom worked in a &#8220;special ed&#8221; class (the *sigh* &#8220;high-functioning&#8221; one) and there was a girl in there with no disability whatsoever, unless one considers speaking Chinese and having immigrant parents a disability.</p>
<p>I bet the thinking was, eh, ESL&#8217;s broke*, throw her in there, she&#8217;ll pick up something. Plus the parents don&#8217;t care! (Or because we don&#8217;t speak their language, and they&#8217;re not proficient in ours&#8230; we don&#8217;t care!)</p>
<p>*If something is messed up within a public school, various *isms are at play but most often it comes down to the lack of money. (Of course, how that money is used reveals blinkered thinking&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: KJ</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/01/19/in-which-i-confuse-a-child-psychologist/#comment-6718</link>
		<dc:creator>KJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 00:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This rings so true in my own experience.  At my elementary school, the advanced classes were full of white kids from upper-middle class backgrounds.  I don&#039;t think there was a single black kid in the advanced classes.  And this school had a significant minority population.  

Then there was their refusal to test kids for learning disabilities unless the parents were really pushy.  My parents were pushy thankfully.  But then, we were a white, upper-middle class family of English speakers, so it was easier for my parents to be pushy and get me tested.  

The school also refused to make real accommodations for my LDs (their solution was an hour a day in the special ed room where I colored or played on the computer, learning nothing.)  Again, my parents had to push and eventually sent me to a school for kids with LDs.  It was a private school though and very small.  If my parents weren&#039;t educated and white and middle class, then I would likely not have gotten the help at all, because they had to use their social privilege to get me the help I needed.  It shouldn&#039;t be that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This rings so true in my own experience.  At my elementary school, the advanced classes were full of white kids from upper-middle class backgrounds.  I don&#8217;t think there was a single black kid in the advanced classes.  And this school had a significant minority population.  </p>
<p>Then there was their refusal to test kids for learning disabilities unless the parents were really pushy.  My parents were pushy thankfully.  But then, we were a white, upper-middle class family of English speakers, so it was easier for my parents to be pushy and get me tested.  </p>
<p>The school also refused to make real accommodations for my LDs (their solution was an hour a day in the special ed room where I colored or played on the computer, learning nothing.)  Again, my parents had to push and eventually sent me to a school for kids with LDs.  It was a private school though and very small.  If my parents weren&#8217;t educated and white and middle class, then I would likely not have gotten the help at all, because they had to use their social privilege to get me the help I needed.  It shouldn&#8217;t be that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Virginia S. Wood, Psy.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Virginia S. Wood, Psy.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 00:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eek. I&#039;m embarrassed for my profession. 

My grad school cohort was brought up better, possibly because our Dean was originally from Cuba, we had a professor who was Egyptian but raised in Saudi, two Black profs and a gay man. With some diversity both in administration and faculty, no way were we (who were also pretty diverse!) going to be allowed to remain ignorant. Because of my own experiences, I tend to assume that other psychologists are equally well-versed in cross-cultural issues. I about lose my cookies when I read stuff like this.

Bravo for your father. So many parents don&#039;t feel they can stand up to The Doctor. My Mom was a bit like your Dad. When I came back from a school year in the hospital &amp; at home recuperating from polio, the school system wanted to place me at &quot;the CP (cerebral palsy) School.&quot; I&#039;m sure it had a real name, but nobody was using it with my Mom. She checked it out and determined that it was a variation on Meloukhia&#039;s sitting-in-the-corner experience and said no way, no how was I going anywhere but back to the regular classroom with my friends.

Which of course was not handicap accessible, but that&#039;s another story for another time. 

Again, bravo for your Dad, and my apologies for the ass-hattery of some of my colleagues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eek. I&#8217;m embarrassed for my profession. </p>
<p>My grad school cohort was brought up better, possibly because our Dean was originally from Cuba, we had a professor who was Egyptian but raised in Saudi, two Black profs and a gay man. With some diversity both in administration and faculty, no way were we (who were also pretty diverse!) going to be allowed to remain ignorant. Because of my own experiences, I tend to assume that other psychologists are equally well-versed in cross-cultural issues. I about lose my cookies when I read stuff like this.</p>
<p>Bravo for your father. So many parents don&#8217;t feel they can stand up to The Doctor. My Mom was a bit like your Dad. When I came back from a school year in the hospital &amp; at home recuperating from polio, the school system wanted to place me at &#8220;the CP (cerebral palsy) School.&#8221; I&#8217;m sure it had a real name, but nobody was using it with my Mom. She checked it out and determined that it was a variation on Meloukhia&#8217;s sitting-in-the-corner experience and said no way, no how was I going anywhere but back to the regular classroom with my friends.</p>
<p>Which of course was not handicap accessible, but that&#8217;s another story for another time. </p>
<p>Again, bravo for your Dad, and my apologies for the ass-hattery of some of my colleagues.</p>
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		<title>By: Puffalo</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/01/19/in-which-i-confuse-a-child-psychologist/#comment-6698</link>
		<dc:creator>Puffalo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My sister got a similar reaction when she told the psychologist that she &quot;lived past Jupiter.&quot;  Jupiter was the name of a street, and the psychologist thought she meant the planet and apparently didn&#039;t think to clarify.

My parents had brought her in for assessment autonomously, though, so it didn&#039;t impact her education.  I don&#039;t even want to think about how many children may have been held back due to that psychologist&#039;s poor communication skills and judgey attitude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My sister got a similar reaction when she told the psychologist that she &#8220;lived past Jupiter.&#8221;  Jupiter was the name of a street, and the psychologist thought she meant the planet and apparently didn&#8217;t think to clarify.</p>
<p>My parents had brought her in for assessment autonomously, though, so it didn&#8217;t impact her education.  I don&#8217;t even want to think about how many children may have been held back due to that psychologist&#8217;s poor communication skills and judgey attitude.</p>
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		<title>By: lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another thing:

This brought back memories of my gran. She became hard of hearing in her fifties and her hearing worsened over the decades. But for most of her life, we were able to all communicate well (if with occasional misunderstandings). But towards the end of her life, when her overall health worsened, she stopped wanting to use her hearing aid, and often couldn&#039;t understand us even with the aid. We made do with writing things down, since sadly none of us, my gran included, had ever learned to use sign language. But eventuall, that no longer worked either.

There are always people who treat the elderly as if they were suddenly children again. It is a horrible practice, and I hated seeing onee of my aunts do the same to my mom. And I am sure that their lack of communication contributed a great deal to this. After all, it is so much easier to assume that someone has become &quot;childlike&quot; when that person can no longer take part in &quot;adult&quot; convcersation. My gran could still let us know what she wanted or didn&#039;t want, but to my aunt, it was as if not being able to hear us was the same as not being able to undrstand us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thing:</p>
<p>This brought back memories of my gran. She became hard of hearing in her fifties and her hearing worsened over the decades. But for most of her life, we were able to all communicate well (if with occasional misunderstandings). But towards the end of her life, when her overall health worsened, she stopped wanting to use her hearing aid, and often couldn&#8217;t understand us even with the aid. We made do with writing things down, since sadly none of us, my gran included, had ever learned to use sign language. But eventuall, that no longer worked either.</p>
<p>There are always people who treat the elderly as if they were suddenly children again. It is a horrible practice, and I hated seeing onee of my aunts do the same to my mom. And I am sure that their lack of communication contributed a great deal to this. After all, it is so much easier to assume that someone has become &#8220;childlike&#8221; when that person can no longer take part in &#8220;adult&#8221; convcersation. My gran could still let us know what she wanted or didn&#8217;t want, but to my aunt, it was as if not being able to hear us was the same as not being able to undrstand us.</p>
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