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		<title>By: mizztcasa</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/01/14/feminist-icons/#comment-12764</link>
		<dc:creator>mizztcasa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 22:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i too missed out on learning about the activist side of Helen Keller. I&#039;m glad I know now. She&#039;s definitely one of my new sheroes. Do you or anyone else know of any other significant women with disabilities? email me at mizztcasa at gmail dot com. or follow me @mizztcasa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i too missed out on learning about the activist side of Helen Keller. I&#8217;m glad I know now. She&#8217;s definitely one of my new sheroes. Do you or anyone else know of any other significant women with disabilities? email me at mizztcasa at gmail dot com. or follow me @mizztcasa.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenna</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/01/14/feminist-icons/#comment-12482</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jun 2010 02:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve loved Helen Keller since I was about 8. As stubbornness is one of my best qualities and my mother was a teacher, I was encouraged and aided in research about this great lady. It&#039;s past time that the world realized she was MUCH more than some sort of oddity who overcame her disabilities and realized that she was a wise, wonderful woman who truly cared for others and understood that society has to take the blames for many of the woes people suffer. 

BTW, has anyone besides me heard of Laura Bridgman? While not the activist that Ms. Keller was, she was the first deaf-blind person to be educated in the US. Helen&#039;s mother read about Bridgman and wrote to the Perkins Institution for the Blind, which was a school for the blind in Boston, and hired another of their students, Annie Sullivan, to go to Alabama and teach her own daughter. While Bridgman never gained the success and fame that Keller did, it is directly due to her intelligence and education that Helen Keller recieved her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve loved Helen Keller since I was about 8. As stubbornness is one of my best qualities and my mother was a teacher, I was encouraged and aided in research about this great lady. It&#8217;s past time that the world realized she was MUCH more than some sort of oddity who overcame her disabilities and realized that she was a wise, wonderful woman who truly cared for others and understood that society has to take the blames for many of the woes people suffer. </p>
<p>BTW, has anyone besides me heard of Laura Bridgman? While not the activist that Ms. Keller was, she was the first deaf-blind person to be educated in the US. Helen&#8217;s mother read about Bridgman and wrote to the Perkins Institution for the Blind, which was a school for the blind in Boston, and hired another of their students, Annie Sullivan, to go to Alabama and teach her own daughter. While Bridgman never gained the success and fame that Keller did, it is directly due to her intelligence and education that Helen Keller recieved her.</p>
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		<title>By: Gnatalby</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/01/14/feminist-icons/#comment-6492</link>
		<dc:creator>Gnatalby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic post! I had no idea Anne Sullivan was blind at any point in her life, that makes the story much more interesting! I did learn in high school that Helen Keller was socialist though. 

&lt;i&gt;I think the problem with the way Keller’s lifestory is presented is it’s often “Look! Look at how much she accomplished DESPITE! her handicap!” Whereas what Keller accomplished in her life is interesting in and of itself.&lt;/i&gt;

What&#039;s most interesting to me about what you&#039;ve posted is that the correct narrative here is, as you suggest, the polar opposite: Look how much she accomplished because of her disability. It&#039;s clear that Keller&#039;s socialism was rooted in her experience of the world as a person with disabilities, that she had an empathy and an understanding of the capriciousness of fate that she might not have had if she had had her hearing and sight. Similarly, Anne Sullivan&#039;s assistance might have been aided by her own experience with partial blindness.

I feel like the pervasive understanding of disability as a tragedy overlooks the fact people with disabilities often have much-needed different skills perspectives from able people and can serve not as lessons-by-negative-example (which is the deservedly hated very special episode version of this sentiment) but as people who can legitimately kick the asses of able-bodied people (like that guy with carbon fiber legs from a couple pages back).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic post! I had no idea Anne Sullivan was blind at any point in her life, that makes the story much more interesting! I did learn in high school that Helen Keller was socialist though. </p>
<p><i>I think the problem with the way Keller’s lifestory is presented is it’s often “Look! Look at how much she accomplished DESPITE! her handicap!” Whereas what Keller accomplished in her life is interesting in and of itself.</i></p>
<p>What&#8217;s most interesting to me about what you&#8217;ve posted is that the correct narrative here is, as you suggest, the polar opposite: Look how much she accomplished because of her disability. It&#8217;s clear that Keller&#8217;s socialism was rooted in her experience of the world as a person with disabilities, that she had an empathy and an understanding of the capriciousness of fate that she might not have had if she had had her hearing and sight. Similarly, Anne Sullivan&#8217;s assistance might have been aided by her own experience with partial blindness.</p>
<p>I feel like the pervasive understanding of disability as a tragedy overlooks the fact people with disabilities often have much-needed different skills perspectives from able people and can serve not as lessons-by-negative-example (which is the deservedly hated very special episode version of this sentiment) but as people who can legitimately kick the asses of able-bodied people (like that guy with carbon fiber legs from a couple pages back).<br />
<span class="cluv"> Gnatalby´s last blog ..<a href="http://theboozetube.wordpress.com/2010/01/14/end-of-time-part-ii-bloated-and-ridick-but-not-without-charm/" rel="nofollow">End of Time Part II– Bloated and Ridick, but not Without Charm</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://disabledfeminists.com/fwd/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Lake Desire</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/01/14/feminist-icons/#comment-6483</link>
		<dc:creator>Lake Desire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 07:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really appreciate this post.  As an anarchist I am thrilled to see socialism and disability discussed together.  I also didn&#039;t know about Keller being a radical until I read another of Leowen&#039;s books that had a chapter on how Keller&#039;s home town celebrates her every year and tourists come to see where she lived and NOTHING acknowledges her politics.  Talk about insulting!  Like a disabled woman isn&#039;t allowed to have a savvy political analysis and do meaningful community organizing?

That &quot;overcoming hardship&quot; narrative is of course demeaning as other folks have commented, but also serves to rewrite history in the interest of those in power.  Radical leftists have had our history written out of the official history.  If we learned about Keller&#039;s critique of capitalism, we might get ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really appreciate this post.  As an anarchist I am thrilled to see socialism and disability discussed together.  I also didn&#8217;t know about Keller being a radical until I read another of Leowen&#8217;s books that had a chapter on how Keller&#8217;s home town celebrates her every year and tourists come to see where she lived and NOTHING acknowledges her politics.  Talk about insulting!  Like a disabled woman isn&#8217;t allowed to have a savvy political analysis and do meaningful community organizing?</p>
<p>That &#8220;overcoming hardship&#8221; narrative is of course demeaning as other folks have commented, but also serves to rewrite history in the interest of those in power.  Radical leftists have had our history written out of the official history.  If we learned about Keller&#8217;s critique of capitalism, we might get ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Quixotess</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/01/14/feminist-icons/#comment-6467</link>
		<dc:creator>Quixotess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 03:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh I loved Lies My Teacher Told Me! That is where I, too, learned about how badass Helen Keller is. Maybe that&#039;s the only place that even talks about it, sheesh. I wonder if the ACLU does a lot of trying to promote how it was hers. Helen Keller is seriously seriously badass.

&quot;I’m trying to say something about how we (the collective “we” of Canadian &amp; American society) don’t consider histories of women like Hilary Clinton or Amelia Erhart to be overcomer stories, but whenever you add disability to the mix, it’s “overcomer!!” And that’s just part of the inherit ableism in the system.&quot;

That&#039;s really interesting! Of course historically race and gender have both been things that we looked at successful women/POC as &quot;overcoming,&quot; but it&#039;s not true so much now, is it? I thought of this line from othello:

Duke of Venice [to Brabantio]:
And, noble signior,
If virtue no delighted beauty lack,
Your son-in-law is far more fair than black.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh I loved Lies My Teacher Told Me! That is where I, too, learned about how badass Helen Keller is. Maybe that&#8217;s the only place that even talks about it, sheesh. I wonder if the ACLU does a lot of trying to promote how it was hers. Helen Keller is seriously seriously badass.</p>
<p>&#8220;I’m trying to say something about how we (the collective “we” of Canadian &amp; American society) don’t consider histories of women like Hilary Clinton or Amelia Erhart to be overcomer stories, but whenever you add disability to the mix, it’s “overcomer!!” And that’s just part of the inherit ableism in the system.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s really interesting! Of course historically race and gender have both been things that we looked at successful women/POC as &#8220;overcoming,&#8221; but it&#8217;s not true so much now, is it? I thought of this line from othello:</p>
<p>Duke of Venice [to Brabantio]:<br />
And, noble signior,<br />
If virtue no delighted beauty lack,<br />
Your son-in-law is far more fair than black.</p>
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		<title>By: CuteRedHood</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/01/14/feminist-icons/#comment-6457</link>
		<dc:creator>CuteRedHood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 00:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved her commentary on systematic oppression. I also learned about her radical nature from LMTTM. I wish Howard Zinn would do some &quot;writing PWD back into history&quot;. Someone correct me if he or someone else has published work of that tack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved her commentary on systematic oppression. I also learned about her radical nature from LMTTM. I wish Howard Zinn would do some &#8220;writing PWD back into history&#8221;. Someone correct me if he or someone else has published work of that tack.</p>
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		<title>By: hsofia</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/01/14/feminist-icons/#comment-6456</link>
		<dc:creator>hsofia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 00:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think the problem with the way Keller’s lifestory is presented is it’s often “Look! Look at how much she accomplished DESPITE! her handicap!” Whereas what Keller accomplished in her life is interesting in and of itself.&quot;

Very true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think the problem with the way Keller’s lifestory is presented is it’s often “Look! Look at how much she accomplished DESPITE! her handicap!” Whereas what Keller accomplished in her life is interesting in and of itself.&#8221;</p>
<p>Very true.</p>
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		<title>By: whatsername</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/01/14/feminist-icons/#comment-6454</link>
		<dc:creator>whatsername</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 00:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I&#039;d only ever heard the &quot;mainstream&quot; version of this story up until sometime this year, I can&#039;t remember exactly when... Wait, yes I do!  We were discussing monuments in my Gender and Visual Culture class!  And there was a monument for Helen Keller (I want to say, in Canada?) and the artist chose that scene from The Miracle Worker, with her as a little girl holding her hand under the water.  I think it was classmates of mine who brought up why they would do this: because the grown woman Helen Keller was political and awesome, and therefore too controversial a figure to memorialize apparently.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I&#8217;d only ever heard the &#8220;mainstream&#8221; version of this story up until sometime this year, I can&#8217;t remember exactly when&#8230; Wait, yes I do!  We were discussing monuments in my Gender and Visual Culture class!  And there was a monument for Helen Keller (I want to say, in Canada?) and the artist chose that scene from The Miracle Worker, with her as a little girl holding her hand under the water.  I think it was classmates of mine who brought up why they would do this: because the grown woman Helen Keller was political and awesome, and therefore too controversial a figure to memorialize apparently.<br />
<span class="cluv"> whatsername´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/TheJadedHippy/~3/0hc2reY9dLY/ways-you-can-help-in-haiti.html" rel="nofollow">Ways you can help in Haiti</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://disabledfeminists.com/fwd/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/01/14/feminist-icons/#comment-6453</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 00:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a lot of it for overcomer stories depend on how they&#039;re framed.  Helen Keller was an amazing woman who did amazing things.  What makes her history (and the history of Anne Sullivan! - thanks, Jesse &amp; FairestCat) interesting isn&#039;t Deafblind girl learns to do stuff - let&#039;s all feel good! - because otherwise we&#039;d all know about Laura Bridgman.  (&quot;The original deafblind girl&quot; - for a... not really horrible but from the point of view of someone who thinks that disability is So Sad Omg!, check out &lt;em&gt;The Imprisoned Guest&lt;/em&gt;, by Gitter.)

I think the problem with the way Keller&#039;s lifestory is presented is it&#039;s often &quot;Look!  Look at how much she accomplished DESPITE! her handicap!&quot;  Whereas what Keller accomplished in her life is interesting in and of itself.

I&#039;m trying to say something about how we (the collective &quot;we&quot; of Canadian &amp; American society) don&#039;t consider histories of women like Hilary Clinton or Amelia Erhart to be overcomer stories, but whenever you add disability to the mix, it&#039;s &quot;overcomer!!&quot;  And that&#039;s just part of the inherit ableism in the system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a lot of it for overcomer stories depend on how they&#8217;re framed.  Helen Keller was an amazing woman who did amazing things.  What makes her history (and the history of Anne Sullivan! &#8211; thanks, Jesse &#038; FairestCat) interesting isn&#8217;t Deafblind girl learns to do stuff &#8211; let&#8217;s all feel good! &#8211; because otherwise we&#8217;d all know about Laura Bridgman.  (&#8220;The original deafblind girl&#8221; &#8211; for a&#8230; not really horrible but from the point of view of someone who thinks that disability is So Sad Omg!, check out <em>The Imprisoned Guest</em>, by Gitter.)</p>
<p>I think the problem with the way Keller&#8217;s lifestory is presented is it&#8217;s often &#8220;Look!  Look at how much she accomplished DESPITE! her handicap!&#8221;  Whereas what Keller accomplished in her life is interesting in and of itself.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m trying to say something about how we (the collective &#8220;we&#8221; of Canadian &#038; American society) don&#8217;t consider histories of women like Hilary Clinton or Amelia Erhart to be overcomer stories, but whenever you add disability to the mix, it&#8217;s &#8220;overcomer!!&#8221;  And that&#8217;s just part of the inherit ableism in the system.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/01/14/feminist-icons/#comment-6452</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 00:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this post.  I knew some, but not all, of the information about Keller.

This next comment is more related to academic women&#039;s history than popular women&#039;s history, but this seemed like an appropriate place to put it: Women&#039;s/gender historians need to start thinking about disability, and not just in the sappy, &quot;overcoming disability&quot;-type ways.  Disability is woefully absent from the rather large body of academic women&#039;s history--even when it is relavent.  I recently attended a talk by one of the leading historians in the field who discussed her recent work on a particular historical figure, a fairly well-known woman.  This historical figure had a disability, albeit one which many might consider &quot;minor.&quot;  This lauded historian did not engage with disability issues in her presentation except to present the historical figure as having &quot;triumphed&quot; over her disability through strength of character and will.  While the historical figure said a fair bit about how influential acquiring and living with a disability was for her, her biographer&#039;s disability analysis was very shallow in comparison to the analytic depth with which other issues are treated.  Ignorance about disability and disability theory leads to writing incomplete histories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this post.  I knew some, but not all, of the information about Keller.</p>
<p>This next comment is more related to academic women&#8217;s history than popular women&#8217;s history, but this seemed like an appropriate place to put it: Women&#8217;s/gender historians need to start thinking about disability, and not just in the sappy, &#8220;overcoming disability&#8221;-type ways.  Disability is woefully absent from the rather large body of academic women&#8217;s history&#8211;even when it is relavent.  I recently attended a talk by one of the leading historians in the field who discussed her recent work on a particular historical figure, a fairly well-known woman.  This historical figure had a disability, albeit one which many might consider &#8220;minor.&#8221;  This lauded historian did not engage with disability issues in her presentation except to present the historical figure as having &#8220;triumphed&#8221; over her disability through strength of character and will.  While the historical figure said a fair bit about how influential acquiring and living with a disability was for her, her biographer&#8217;s disability analysis was very shallow in comparison to the analytic depth with which other issues are treated.  Ignorance about disability and disability theory leads to writing incomplete histories.</p>
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