10 responses to “Glee: The Halfway Point: The Introduction”

  1. nuri

    One of the things I really struggle with is that a lot of the television, novels, and other assorted media that I like and love is problematic. Because there’s this element that I’ve encountered that if it’s problematic, I can’t like it, or that if I can find fault and criticism, that I can’t actually enjoy something. (or that criticism isn’t, in itself, a fun activity that enhances my joy in media).

    I like Glee. I haven’t had the time to watch it lately with all the overtime I’ve been working, but I’ve always been a fan of over the top high school drama/comedy and I’m a music theatre fan. There are jokes that I both find funny and problematic at the same time.

  2. Sacha

    With regard to the “hipster race/sex/ablism”, I think this post is correct in stating that this type of humour makes an error in presuming that no one holds these opinions. Al Murray playing “The Pub Landlord” is a good example. Originally, this character was a spoof of the stereotyped British nationalist, but audiences go to see this character on stage because they agree with his opinions.

    With the regard to the “just a joke”, whilst I was looking for a quote to summarise Al Murray from a Stewart Lee routine (which I couldn’t find), I found something else that Stewart Lee said which makes a good response: “If your escape clause for jokes in which there are victims is that ‘it’s only a joke, back off’, what’s to stop that logic being turned back on you?”

  3. nuri

    meloukhia, I’ve dealt with it in other areas. My favorite area of literature is Childrens and Young Adult lit. Apparently, I’m destroying people’s childhoods all the time by daring to point out the post-colonial, racist impacts and parts of Babar and Curious George.

    It’s kind of strange, if you ask me, the culture of consuming without digesting content.

  4. Monica

    I intentionally didn’t watch Sectionals because after Mattress, I’m not sure that I can give Glee my implicit support by continuing to watch it. I’m aware that every hit that it gets on Hulu (or whatever, but Hulu is where I watch it) will somehow translate back to advertiser dollars. There are a lot of things that I watch and enjoy and love dearly that have terribly problematic elements, and I don’t boycott them; but with Glee, I really believe that the problematic now outweighs the lovable. For me, that tipping point was undoubtedly the scene of Will and Terri in the kitchen, and the other thing that’s problematic is that not a lot of my friends and acquaintances saw anything as being wrong.

  5. lauren

    I don’t think there has been any tv show, movie or book recently that I loved and didn’t find anything to dislike or consider problematic. And for me, discussing what I do or do not like is an essential part of consuming media in an active way. I wil never understand why some people act as if critical thinking makes me a bad fan. I think the opposite is actually true. If I like something, than I want it to be good. I want the people in charge to become aware of the issues, to potentially fix them. If I didn’t bother to notice potential problems, that means the show/ movie/ book isn’t important to me. So many people do not seem to get that.

    What is interesting(in a sad way), is that many people can deal with criticism of plot-consistency, characterisation, bad dialogue or something like that (not all fans, but some), but when it comes to pointing out issues like racism, sexism, ableism or other problematic attitudes, they seem to loose all willingness to consider possible issues. Now, this is just me, but maybe the reason is that while bad writing and similar problems of story telling are apparent to these people, unlike underlying prejudices. Because to recognize prejudice, one has to know what they are, why they are wrong, why stereotypes are not “just “realistic” characters”. And far too many people- myself included far to often for my peace of mind- do not recognize these underlying prejudices. And since nobody wants to be a prejudiced person, acknowleging that such attitudes are underlying the media in question, and that people did not realize it because they share these same prejudices, is not something many are willing to do.

    Better to attack the person making the criticism, I guess.

  6. AWV

    I loathe this show so much, I’m really excited you are going to write about its awfulness in such depth.

    I complain about it a lot on my blog and most of the things I say are not very original, but I’m going to link this post because it is about intellectual disability and I don’t think people have posted about intellectual disability on Glee as much as physical disability, race, etc.

  7. Travis

    I recently gave up watching Glee. I had fallen behind (as I often do with TV shows) and had four episodes piled up and I just thought, ugh, I really don’t want to have to stress over catching up with a series that infuraties me in multiple ways every single episode. I am still fighting the weird feeling that I should keep watching it in order to be able to critique it, but I think I am just going to stick to my guns and stay away.

    I’m really looking forward to this series, though. Reading criticism of Glee is much more enjoyable than watching the actual show.

    I posted some reviews of Glee on my Dreamwidth journal when I was watching it. I made the mistake of reposting my initial review (I think it was after watching the first six episodes or something) on Lunch.com and got several comments saying I just didn’t get it, that the premise went over my head, that it was meant to be ironic. What. Ever.

  8. Sasha_feather

    This post has been included in a linkspam at access-fandom. Thank you!