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		<title>By: dar</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/12/11/injury-versus-disability/#comment-5056</link>
		<dc:creator>dar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 06:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A temporary injury is completely different from a permanent disability.

When I recently injured my thumb, I did not think of it in the same way as I think of my permanent disabilities, or my chronic impairments, or even my fixable-with-enough-time-and-physio/medical-treatment issues. It was an injury, something that would heal (as long as RSD didn&#039;t set in - which has not happened, so I think I&#039;m pretty much in the clear on the count. Once you get RSD, you fear every injury, especially to an extremity, will lead to RSD. But that&#039;s a whole other ball of wax.)

A temporary injury is something that happens to you - it&#039;s not YOU. It&#039;s like hair dye. Someone can compliment you on your gorgeous red hair, but if it comes from a bottle they&#039;re only complimenting you on your excellent hair colouring skills (or those of your stylist.) It has nothing to do with your natural state. A temporary injury is going to heal. Your dye job is going to grow out. And you&#039;ll be the same person you always were.

Something being permanent does NOT magically make it easier to cope with. If you can&#039;t use your left index finger, you can&#039;t use your left index finger. It doesn&#039;t matter how long it&#039;s been unusable, or how long it&#039;s going to remain unusable. You can learn to cope and train yourself to be faster or more nimble with the other fingers, but that doesn&#039;t change the fact that you can&#039;t use your left index finger. It&#039;s just as irritating. Just as frustrating. 

But more so, because a permanent disability is permanent. That&#039;s what makes it a disability and not an injury. When you know something is not going to heal, then you have to live with the knowledge that it&#039;s never going to get any better. It is YOU. As in &quot;YOU have a left index finger that does not work&quot; is a statement that will apply to you forever and ever. I&#039;d say that gives a significant advantage to the temporary-injured side of the equation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A temporary injury is completely different from a permanent disability.</p>
<p>When I recently injured my thumb, I did not think of it in the same way as I think of my permanent disabilities, or my chronic impairments, or even my fixable-with-enough-time-and-physio/medical-treatment issues. It was an injury, something that would heal (as long as RSD didn&#8217;t set in &#8211; which has not happened, so I think I&#8217;m pretty much in the clear on the count. Once you get RSD, you fear every injury, especially to an extremity, will lead to RSD. But that&#8217;s a whole other ball of wax.)</p>
<p>A temporary injury is something that happens to you &#8211; it&#8217;s not YOU. It&#8217;s like hair dye. Someone can compliment you on your gorgeous red hair, but if it comes from a bottle they&#8217;re only complimenting you on your excellent hair colouring skills (or those of your stylist.) It has nothing to do with your natural state. A temporary injury is going to heal. Your dye job is going to grow out. And you&#8217;ll be the same person you always were.</p>
<p>Something being permanent does NOT magically make it easier to cope with. If you can&#8217;t use your left index finger, you can&#8217;t use your left index finger. It doesn&#8217;t matter how long it&#8217;s been unusable, or how long it&#8217;s going to remain unusable. You can learn to cope and train yourself to be faster or more nimble with the other fingers, but that doesn&#8217;t change the fact that you can&#8217;t use your left index finger. It&#8217;s just as irritating. Just as frustrating. </p>
<p>But more so, because a permanent disability is permanent. That&#8217;s what makes it a disability and not an injury. When you know something is not going to heal, then you have to live with the knowledge that it&#8217;s never going to get any better. It is YOU. As in &#8220;YOU have a left index finger that does not work&#8221; is a statement that will apply to you forever and ever. I&#8217;d say that gives a significant advantage to the temporary-injured side of the equation.</p>
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		<title>By: Kali</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/12/11/injury-versus-disability/#comment-4786</link>
		<dc:creator>Kali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently posted about trying to explain this phenomenon and why it&#039;s offensive to my (abled) mother.

She could not, for the life of her, understand why it was offensive to have people prying into my medical history and suggesting all kinds of useless &#039;help&#039;.

*sigh* She told me I had a bad attitude, because I should be glad that I wasn&#039;t being ignored, which is what her coworker who uses a &#039;chair complains about.

...because, you know, BOTH of those can&#039;t be problematic.

~Kali
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently posted about trying to explain this phenomenon and why it&#8217;s offensive to my (abled) mother.</p>
<p>She could not, for the life of her, understand why it was offensive to have people prying into my medical history and suggesting all kinds of useless &#8216;help&#8217;.</p>
<p>*sigh* She told me I had a bad attitude, because I should be glad that I wasn&#8217;t being ignored, which is what her coworker who uses a &#8216;chair complains about.</p>
<p>&#8230;because, you know, BOTH of those can&#8217;t be problematic.</p>
<p>~Kali<br />
<a href="http://www.brilliantmindbrokenbody.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.brilliantmindbrokenbody.wordpress.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Cee</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/12/11/injury-versus-disability/#comment-4649</link>
		<dc:creator>Cee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 15:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It gets real interesting when your so called allies and peers who have othered you decide to use behind the back peer pressure so that they can catch you being crazy and get something done about you.  They can get real creative...........I prefer medium point ink pens, can&#039;t stand fine point, should have heard all of the conspiracy theories on that one......why is it that some people seem to think that they will somehow get extra brownie points if they can convince people that they are going up against Hannibal Lector??  Hhhmmm prefers medium point pens now that can indicate a danger!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It gets real interesting when your so called allies and peers who have othered you decide to use behind the back peer pressure so that they can catch you being crazy and get something done about you.  They can get real creative&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..I prefer medium point ink pens, can&#8217;t stand fine point, should have heard all of the conspiracy theories on that one&#8230;&#8230;why is it that some people seem to think that they will somehow get extra brownie points if they can convince people that they are going up against Hannibal Lector??  Hhhmmm prefers medium point pens now that can indicate a danger!!</p>
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		<title>By: JetGirl</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/12/11/injury-versus-disability/#comment-4622</link>
		<dc:creator>JetGirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 03:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who deals with permanent and painful and visible disabilities every day, I need to tell you no. As in no,  I never get used to it. I will never get used to it. I have good days and bad days, and on the good days, I do my best to forget. Yes, I always have to compensate for the fact that I can&#039;t stand too long on my bad knee, or that my elbow makes it hard to brush my hair or teeth, but I will never get used to it. I will never forget it, or stop resenting it. And when nosy strangers ask personal questions, or act like it&#039;s no big deal, since I&#039;ve dealt with it so long. [Redacted per &lt;a href=&quot;http://disabledfeminists.com/comments-policy/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;comment policy&lt;/a&gt;.] Who the hell are they to tell me I should get used to it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who deals with permanent and painful and visible disabilities every day, I need to tell you no. As in no,  I never get used to it. I will never get used to it. I have good days and bad days, and on the good days, I do my best to forget. Yes, I always have to compensate for the fact that I can&#8217;t stand too long on my bad knee, or that my elbow makes it hard to brush my hair or teeth, but I will never get used to it. I will never forget it, or stop resenting it. And when nosy strangers ask personal questions, or act like it&#8217;s no big deal, since I&#8217;ve dealt with it so long. [Redacted per <a href="http://disabledfeminists.com/comments-policy/" rel="nofollow">comment policy</a>.] Who the hell are they to tell me I should get used to it?</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/12/11/injury-versus-disability/#comment-4595</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have previously only lurked and not commented, but I&#039;ve read pretty much everything that&#039;s been posted on fwd.

While I almost certainly would not ask a stranger what happened, if I did and got your response “I was being attacked by a vampire but I managed to deflect him so he bit my cheek instead of my neck” I would probably think you were awesome and want to be friends. So maybe not quite the &quot;go away&quot; effect you are going for :D

And that certainly sucks. Hell hath no fury like a cat scorned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have previously only lurked and not commented, but I&#8217;ve read pretty much everything that&#8217;s been posted on fwd.</p>
<p>While I almost certainly would not ask a stranger what happened, if I did and got your response “I was being attacked by a vampire but I managed to deflect him so he bit my cheek instead of my neck” I would probably think you were awesome and want to be friends. So maybe not quite the &#8220;go away&#8221; effect you are going for <img src='http://disabledfeminists.com/fwd/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And that certainly sucks. Hell hath no fury like a cat scorned.</p>
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		<title>By: CuteRedHood</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/12/11/injury-versus-disability/#comment-4591</link>
		<dc:creator>CuteRedHood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having a recurrent injury myself, this story really struck me. My knees dislocate about once a year (or more) and I&#039;m in the brace, on crutches for a while, and pretty continuously limited in physical activity. I am still in the brace currently and I thought I was finally done getting unsolicited comments, questions, and advice at my university. I went to the passport office two days ago and someone asked again, then told me to take care as I was leaving (as if we were life long friends)! 

I hate that I&#039;m so polite to people who are not returning the same kind of behavior. I hate that my socialization as a female makes my first reaction come out like some weird twist between deference and self-deprecating humor. I wish I could say a &quot;fuck off&quot; type response but I can&#039;t seem to get the guts to do so when I&#039;m in the moment. Even worse, when I talked to my friends about the pain and annoyance from being on public display and feeling like a tabloid story, they tell me to &quot;be kind&quot; because people are &quot;just concerned&quot; and &quot;want to help&quot;.

*stews in silent anger*

How do you all get the guts to tell people to leave you alone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having a recurrent injury myself, this story really struck me. My knees dislocate about once a year (or more) and I&#8217;m in the brace, on crutches for a while, and pretty continuously limited in physical activity. I am still in the brace currently and I thought I was finally done getting unsolicited comments, questions, and advice at my university. I went to the passport office two days ago and someone asked again, then told me to take care as I was leaving (as if we were life long friends)! </p>
<p>I hate that I&#8217;m so polite to people who are not returning the same kind of behavior. I hate that my socialization as a female makes my first reaction come out like some weird twist between deference and self-deprecating humor. I wish I could say a &#8220;fuck off&#8221; type response but I can&#8217;t seem to get the guts to do so when I&#8217;m in the moment. Even worse, when I talked to my friends about the pain and annoyance from being on public display and feeling like a tabloid story, they tell me to &#8220;be kind&#8221; because people are &#8220;just concerned&#8221; and &#8220;want to help&#8221;.</p>
<p>*stews in silent anger*</p>
<p>How do you all get the guts to tell people to leave you alone?</p>
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		<title>By: Kaitlyn</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/12/11/injury-versus-disability/#comment-4590</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaitlyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave D. - I think your comment and this from Gnatalby - &quot;Maybe if the person is a &lt;b&gt;child&lt;/b&gt; and you are a teacher, but other than that, no.&quot; (emphasis mine) go together.

Disabled people - visibly disabled people - are not independent adults. They are children, they need our help. Also, they may not even know (because everyone in a wheel chair is MR or locked inside their brain by some other disorder) *whispers* that they&#039;re disabled. So if you ask nosy questions, they&#039;ll realize and get off the street and stop freaking out the normal people. (Man, having an &quot;invisible&quot; disability is awesome! I&#039;m treated like an adult, people expect things of me... okay, I want them to be visible. If I could invent something, it would be a device that makes invisible disabilities visible somehow, so I can be treated like a child! No, so I can stop with the damaging self-doubt.)

Abby Jean - ouch! I hope you get some kick-ass scars, and go yeah, went one-on-one with a mountain lion. He lost. *cool pose* (I&#039;m sorry, I still have that mentality from childhood that goes, &quot;Wanna see what happened when I fell off my bike? Blerd everywhere!&quot; &quot;Ooh, cool!&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave D. &#8211; I think your comment and this from Gnatalby &#8211; &#8220;Maybe if the person is a <b>child</b> and you are a teacher, but other than that, no.&#8221; (emphasis mine) go together.</p>
<p>Disabled people &#8211; visibly disabled people &#8211; are not independent adults. They are children, they need our help. Also, they may not even know (because everyone in a wheel chair is MR or locked inside their brain by some other disorder) *whispers* that they&#8217;re disabled. So if you ask nosy questions, they&#8217;ll realize and get off the street and stop freaking out the normal people. (Man, having an &#8220;invisible&#8221; disability is awesome! I&#8217;m treated like an adult, people expect things of me&#8230; okay, I want them to be visible. If I could invent something, it would be a device that makes invisible disabilities visible somehow, so I can be treated like a child! No, so I can stop with the damaging self-doubt.)</p>
<p>Abby Jean &#8211; ouch! I hope you get some kick-ass scars, and go yeah, went one-on-one with a mountain lion. He lost. *cool pose* (I&#8217;m sorry, I still have that mentality from childhood that goes, &#8220;Wanna see what happened when I fell off my bike? Blerd everywhere!&#8221; &#8220;Ooh, cool!&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: romham</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/12/11/injury-versus-disability/#comment-4588</link>
		<dc:creator>romham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone with &quot;visible&quot;[sic](to sighted folks) disabilities, this happens all. the. time. Everywhere i go. i cant go anywhere on the bus without someone asking &quot;what happened to you&quot;, &quot;do you have ________?&quot; etc. Like i know them. Like i care to share my shit with them. People are more likely to do it when im alone, which is a whole &#039;nother layer of gross. And if i dont play along, they usually get pissed. Because im supposed to be available for anyone, anytime.

Having an injury is a taste. Paired with the reality that this has been my experience for many years, and will be my experience for the rest of my life adds again a whole other layer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone with &#8220;visible&#8221;[sic](to sighted folks) disabilities, this happens all. the. time. Everywhere i go. i cant go anywhere on the bus without someone asking &#8220;what happened to you&#8221;, &#8220;do you have ________?&#8221; etc. Like i know them. Like i care to share my shit with them. People are more likely to do it when im alone, which is a whole &#8216;nother layer of gross. And if i dont play along, they usually get pissed. Because im supposed to be available for anyone, anytime.</p>
<p>Having an injury is a taste. Paired with the reality that this has been my experience for many years, and will be my experience for the rest of my life adds again a whole other layer.</p>
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		<title>By: FairestCat</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/12/11/injury-versus-disability/#comment-4585</link>
		<dc:creator>FairestCat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was in college I managed to both sprain my left knee and break a finger in the same weekend.  (In two separate incidences. It was... impressive).  I showed up for class Monday morning in a knee brace and a hand splint and all of a sudden everyone wanted to know what had happened and offer me sympathy, advice and assistance, etc.  

And the thing is, at that time I was actually in the middle of a fairly massive mental breakdown.  I was in fact sick, desperately sick, desperately in need of sympathy and advice and most of all help, and not getting any of that. It really forefronted for me the massive dissonance in the societally conditioned response to visible and invisible illness/injury.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was in college I managed to both sprain my left knee and break a finger in the same weekend.  (In two separate incidences. It was&#8230; impressive).  I showed up for class Monday morning in a knee brace and a hand splint and all of a sudden everyone wanted to know what had happened and offer me sympathy, advice and assistance, etc.  </p>
<p>And the thing is, at that time I was actually in the middle of a fairly massive mental breakdown.  I was in fact sick, desperately sick, desperately in need of sympathy and advice and most of all help, and not getting any of that. It really forefronted for me the massive dissonance in the societally conditioned response to visible and invisible illness/injury.</p>
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		<title>By: Ouyang Dan</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/12/11/injury-versus-disability/#comment-4583</link>
		<dc:creator>Ouyang Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>abby jean- if you didn&#039;t get my tweets, i am so glad you are OK. rotten cat!  *offers hugs*

I noticed that when I started using my cane that suddenly people wanted to know all about why. Why was I using it, how was I feeling, why didn&#039;t I have it today? It is overwhelming, and it takes a little bit to get used to deflecting. I had a high school teacher once who hurt his thumb and when we would ask him he told us it was from a sword fight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>abby jean- if you didn&#8217;t get my tweets, i am so glad you are OK. rotten cat!  *offers hugs*</p>
<p>I noticed that when I started using my cane that suddenly people wanted to know all about why. Why was I using it, how was I feeling, why didn&#8217;t I have it today? It is overwhelming, and it takes a little bit to get used to deflecting. I had a high school teacher once who hurt his thumb and when we would ask him he told us it was from a sword fight.</p>
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