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		<title>By: amandaw</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/12/09/the-brain-is-still-a-giant-mystery/#comment-4559</link>
		<dc:creator>amandaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 23:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Dima thinks when [neurotypical] subjects see the illusion, which is somewhat ambiguous, their brains strengthen this connection such that what they expect — a normal face — becomes more influential, overpowering the actual, though unlikely, visual information. [People with s]chizophrenia , meanwhile, may be unable to modulate this pathway, accepting the concave face as reality.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Interesting.

I wonder if anyone will realize how unteneble it is to maintain that there is only one reality, arbited by NTs, and that anyone who is not experiencing that particular reality is broken somehow. In this case, NTs are actually seeing their brain function in a way that makes them perceive something incorrectly. 

People should realize that brains are complicated things, and that we *all* have *perception.* All of us. We all have various factors influencing how we perceive the world. And there is no such thing as &quot;The World&quot; objectively, and us getting it straight unless we&#039;re broken somehow (like having schizophrenia). Rather, we all have different, unique lenses through which we view the world, and we need to have the flexibility to take into consideration someone else&#039;s lens and its equal validity to ours.
.-= amandaw´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://threeriversblog.com/2009/12/inertia.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Inertia&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Dima thinks when [neurotypical] subjects see the illusion, which is somewhat ambiguous, their brains strengthen this connection such that what they expect — a normal face — becomes more influential, overpowering the actual, though unlikely, visual information. [People with s]chizophrenia , meanwhile, may be unable to modulate this pathway, accepting the concave face as reality.</p></blockquote>
<p>Interesting.</p>
<p>I wonder if anyone will realize how unteneble it is to maintain that there is only one reality, arbited by NTs, and that anyone who is not experiencing that particular reality is broken somehow. In this case, NTs are actually seeing their brain function in a way that makes them perceive something incorrectly. </p>
<p>People should realize that brains are complicated things, and that we *all* have *perception.* All of us. We all have various factors influencing how we perceive the world. And there is no such thing as &#8220;The World&#8221; objectively, and us getting it straight unless we&#8217;re broken somehow (like having schizophrenia). Rather, we all have different, unique lenses through which we view the world, and we need to have the flexibility to take into consideration someone else&#8217;s lens and its equal validity to ours.<br />
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/12/09/the-brain-is-still-a-giant-mystery/#comment-4531</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It worked opposite of the posters above for me. It looks most convex when the features were visible, but it was turned slightly (it kind of looked like those busts in the Haunted Mansion at Disneyland that seem to follow you as you walk past), but when it was straight on, it looked concave. (Though I could also see it as convex if I unfocussed slightly, like a Magic Eye Puzzle, though usually I am horrible at those and can&#039;t see the secret image.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It worked opposite of the posters above for me. It looks most convex when the features were visible, but it was turned slightly (it kind of looked like those busts in the Haunted Mansion at Disneyland that seem to follow you as you walk past), but when it was straight on, it looked concave. (Though I could also see it as convex if I unfocussed slightly, like a Magic Eye Puzzle, though usually I am horrible at those and can&#8217;t see the secret image.)</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/12/09/the-brain-is-still-a-giant-mystery/#comment-4529</link>
		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 02:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dopamine is supposedly connected to a lot of things, seems they find a sort of drug that they at least claim works on something (even if it only does a tiny fraction of the time or for reasons unrelated to the main known property of the drug) and then they claim that condition is related to the opposite of what the drug does.  (Especially inaccurate if the condition in question is actually several very different conditions that bear one name due to some guy a century ago making a fairly ridiculous guess that they were all caused by the same cognitive mechanism.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dopamine is supposedly connected to a lot of things, seems they find a sort of drug that they at least claim works on something (even if it only does a tiny fraction of the time or for reasons unrelated to the main known property of the drug) and then they claim that condition is related to the opposite of what the drug does.  (Especially inaccurate if the condition in question is actually several very different conditions that bear one name due to some guy a century ago making a fairly ridiculous guess that they were all caused by the same cognitive mechanism.)</p>
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		<title>By: Samanthab</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samanthab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 21:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how this could potentially relate to dopamine, which is the neurotransmitter connected to pattern seeking, and also, per several theories, schizophrenia? 

Thanks for an inneresting piece.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how this could potentially relate to dopamine, which is the neurotransmitter connected to pattern seeking, and also, per several theories, schizophrenia? </p>
<p>Thanks for an inneresting piece.</p>
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		<title>By: Naamah</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/12/09/the-brain-is-still-a-giant-mystery/#comment-4513</link>
		<dc:creator>Naamah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 20:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How cool!

I watched it go round about twelve times, and even used the pause button to slow it down.  Knowing what was coming I was able to see it as concave right until the back side was fully facing me, when it became convex, and wouldn&#039;t go back until it was about 3/4 around.  Playing with it . . . a couple of times I couldn&#039;t do it at all, and once, just once, I was able to hold the illusion for all but a split second, again, right when the mask is facing fully away and the illusion is most complete.

Neat stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How cool!</p>
<p>I watched it go round about twelve times, and even used the pause button to slow it down.  Knowing what was coming I was able to see it as concave right until the back side was fully facing me, when it became convex, and wouldn&#8217;t go back until it was about 3/4 around.  Playing with it . . . a couple of times I couldn&#8217;t do it at all, and once, just once, I was able to hold the illusion for all but a split second, again, right when the mask is facing fully away and the illusion is most complete.</p>
<p>Neat stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: hydropsyche</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/12/09/the-brain-is-still-a-giant-mystery/#comment-4505</link>
		<dc:creator>hydropsyche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As further proof of what we don&#039;t know about the brain: remember the &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.nature.com/news/thegreatbeyond/2009/09/study_warns_of_red_herrings_in.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;fMRI of a dead fish&lt;/a&gt;.  

Be very wary of trusting people who claim this or that about brain structure of all people, women, folks with a particular disability, etc based on fMRI of a few subjects.  Because they could have been dead fish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As further proof of what we don&#8217;t know about the brain: remember the <a href="http://blogs.nature.com/news/thegreatbeyond/2009/09/study_warns_of_red_herrings_in.html" rel="nofollow">fMRI of a dead fish</a>.  </p>
<p>Be very wary of trusting people who claim this or that about brain structure of all people, women, folks with a particular disability, etc based on fMRI of a few subjects.  Because they could have been dead fish.</p>
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		<title>By: Norah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and sorry for the rapid posts in succession, but I forgot something...

Just recently I saw a colourblindness test being advertised as an IQ test. This does nothing to increase my confidence about how much these tests say, especially from any online source, fun though they may be.

(I had really interesting results from an official colourblindness test some professional once had me do out of interest, since my brother is colourblind and he just wanted to see how I&#039;d do.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and sorry for the rapid posts in succession, but I forgot something&#8230;</p>
<p>Just recently I saw a colourblindness test being advertised as an IQ test. This does nothing to increase my confidence about how much these tests say, especially from any online source, fun though they may be.</p>
<p>(I had really interesting results from an official colourblindness test some professional once had me do out of interest, since my brother is colourblind and he just wanted to see how I&#8217;d do.)</p>
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		<title>By: Norah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing is that the moe ofthese illusions you see and play around with, and the more often you&#039;ve seen them lately, the better you get at seeing what you want to see (note that there are individual differences for people there). Not all the claims people make about these illusions (note the voice in the video claiming seeingthe hollow side asconcave is impossible) are true or even logical in any way (like the one with the spinning picture where which way you see it spinning is supposed to indicate which side of your brain is dominant. I&#039;ve had lots of testing done which indicates (if true, but I still think it&#039;s more reliable than this) that the left side of my brain is very much dominant, but I see the picture spinning in one direction or the other at different occasions, and sometimes I see it spinning in different directions while looking at it, I mean like the bottom half will go one way and the top half another, stuff like that). 

I only saw the mask hollow side as concave if I let it be, but I can switch it at will to seeing it convex if I put in a little bit of effort. If I played with it a while I&#039;d probably be able to see all kinds of strange stuff in that too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing is that the moe ofthese illusions you see and play around with, and the more often you&#8217;ve seen them lately, the better you get at seeing what you want to see (note that there are individual differences for people there). Not all the claims people make about these illusions (note the voice in the video claiming seeingthe hollow side asconcave is impossible) are true or even logical in any way (like the one with the spinning picture where which way you see it spinning is supposed to indicate which side of your brain is dominant. I&#8217;ve had lots of testing done which indicates (if true, but I still think it&#8217;s more reliable than this) that the left side of my brain is very much dominant, but I see the picture spinning in one direction or the other at different occasions, and sometimes I see it spinning in different directions while looking at it, I mean like the bottom half will go one way and the top half another, stuff like that). </p>
<p>I only saw the mask hollow side as concave if I let it be, but I can switch it at will to seeing it convex if I put in a little bit of effort. If I played with it a while I&#8217;d probably be able to see all kinds of strange stuff in that too.</p>
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		<title>By: Cee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We know more about our oceans, which isn&#039;t very much, than we do the human brain.

There is a condition called Synesthesia in which the person sees sound, smells colors etc.  It is really interesting.

Synesthesia is a neurologically based phenomenon in which stimulation of one sensory or cognitive pathway leads to automatic, involuntary experiences in a second sensory or cognitive pathway.

Synesthesia is a condition in which one sense (for example, hearing) is simultaneously perceived as if by one or more additional senses such as sight. Another form of synesthesia joins objects such as letters, shapes, numbers or people&#039;s names with a sensory perception such as smell, color or flavor. The word synesthesia comes from two Greek words, syn (together) and aisthesis (perception). Therefore, synesthesia literally means &quot;joined perception.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We know more about our oceans, which isn&#8217;t very much, than we do the human brain.</p>
<p>There is a condition called Synesthesia in which the person sees sound, smells colors etc.  It is really interesting.</p>
<p>Synesthesia is a neurologically based phenomenon in which stimulation of one sensory or cognitive pathway leads to automatic, involuntary experiences in a second sensory or cognitive pathway.</p>
<p>Synesthesia is a condition in which one sense (for example, hearing) is simultaneously perceived as if by one or more additional senses such as sight. Another form of synesthesia joins objects such as letters, shapes, numbers or people&#8217;s names with a sensory perception such as smell, color or flavor. The word synesthesia comes from two Greek words, syn (together) and aisthesis (perception). Therefore, synesthesia literally means &#8220;joined perception.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: kaninchenzero</title>
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		<dc:creator>kaninchenzero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see it as concave until the back side of the mask is full on to the camera.  Then it&#039;s convex and I can&#039;t see it as concave any more until the next time it come around.  Like Rodo some illusions swap back and forth between interpretations.  Sometimes very rapidly and it&#039;s uncomfortable.

Oh yeah the brain is still a giant mystery.  For all we think we know about how it works and how researchers interpret fMRI and other scan data it&#039;s still very large-scale stuff and the brain works on a very very fine scale indeed.  We know some of the larger structures are related to some functions because when those structures stop working some people stop being able to do some things.  But not everyone.  There are clearly redundancies and workarounds and we simply do not know the &lt;em&gt;how&lt;/em&gt; of very basic stuff like memory storage.  What changes physically and/or electrochemically when we make new memories?  What happens with how memories are kept to make some of them so unreliable?

We don&#039;t know.  It may be a long time before we have the technology to be able to examine a working brain on on the scale it works at in the time frames it does stuff.  It would be kind of nice if neuro researchers and especially pop science writers would just &lt;em&gt;be okay with that&lt;/em&gt; and say &quot;We don&#039;t know yet&quot; instead of coming up with bullshit just-so stories that astonishingly often &lt;em&gt;just happen&lt;/em&gt; to reinforce existing privilege structures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see it as concave until the back side of the mask is full on to the camera.  Then it&#8217;s convex and I can&#8217;t see it as concave any more until the next time it come around.  Like Rodo some illusions swap back and forth between interpretations.  Sometimes very rapidly and it&#8217;s uncomfortable.</p>
<p>Oh yeah the brain is still a giant mystery.  For all we think we know about how it works and how researchers interpret fMRI and other scan data it&#8217;s still very large-scale stuff and the brain works on a very very fine scale indeed.  We know some of the larger structures are related to some functions because when those structures stop working some people stop being able to do some things.  But not everyone.  There are clearly redundancies and workarounds and we simply do not know the <em>how</em> of very basic stuff like memory storage.  What changes physically and/or electrochemically when we make new memories?  What happens with how memories are kept to make some of them so unreliable?</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t know.  It may be a long time before we have the technology to be able to examine a working brain on on the scale it works at in the time frames it does stuff.  It would be kind of nice if neuro researchers and especially pop science writers would just <em>be okay with that</em> and say &#8220;We don&#8217;t know yet&#8221; instead of coming up with bullshit just-so stories that astonishingly often <em>just happen</em> to reinforce existing privilege structures.</p>
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