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		<title>By: hsofia</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/12/09/invisible-identities-part-2-the-default-human/#comment-7054</link>
		<dc:creator>hsofia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Monica - Your question is a good one, but I don&#039;t have an answer. For my part, I&#039;ve chosen to only disclose my mental health status to a very few people (spouse, therapist, two or three friends). I don&#039;t even share it with the medical professionals unless I think it&#039;s absolutely necessary. And most of the time it isn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Monica &#8211; Your question is a good one, but I don&#8217;t have an answer. For my part, I&#8217;ve chosen to only disclose my mental health status to a very few people (spouse, therapist, two or three friends). I don&#8217;t even share it with the medical professionals unless I think it&#8217;s absolutely necessary. And most of the time it isn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Rosella</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/12/09/invisible-identities-part-2-the-default-human/#comment-7044</link>
		<dc:creator>Rosella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I was reading some of the other comments, I remembered reflecting in the past how sometimes non-noticable disabilities can be more a part of an idenity than noticable disabilities.  In the first place mine (learning disabilities, ADHD and OCD) effect my thinking proccess and by default my personality.  I have sometimes tried to imagine what I would be like if I didn&#039;t have my disabilities and I can&#039;t (despite my ADHD enhanced creativity and my OCD enhanced ability to focus and anyalize) becuase they have been a part of my personality for 23 years now.  Additionally, I believe that having others judge you contrary to your disability can frequently put you in situations where you are consiuos of your disability because a) you are fighting an inner battle of whether to disclouse it b) you find your self in situations where you need accomadations but none are aviable c) you must explain/defend your disablity to those around you.  I realize this view may be part of my privlage of not having a noticable disability and I would welcome anyone who disagrees with me to engage in a civil and insightful conversation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I was reading some of the other comments, I remembered reflecting in the past how sometimes non-noticable disabilities can be more a part of an idenity than noticable disabilities.  In the first place mine (learning disabilities, ADHD and OCD) effect my thinking proccess and by default my personality.  I have sometimes tried to imagine what I would be like if I didn&#8217;t have my disabilities and I can&#8217;t (despite my ADHD enhanced creativity and my OCD enhanced ability to focus and anyalize) becuase they have been a part of my personality for 23 years now.  Additionally, I believe that having others judge you contrary to your disability can frequently put you in situations where you are consiuos of your disability because a) you are fighting an inner battle of whether to disclouse it b) you find your self in situations where you need accomadations but none are aviable c) you must explain/defend your disablity to those around you.  I realize this view may be part of my privlage of not having a noticable disability and I would welcome anyone who disagrees with me to engage in a civil and insightful conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: Bri</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/12/09/invisible-identities-part-2-the-default-human/#comment-4799</link>
		<dc:creator>Bri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 00:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My daughter regularly has her culture &#039;taken away&#039; from her, or at least questioned. She is an Australian Aboriginal with very pale skin and blue eyes. I regularly have to argue with institutions (such as hospital staff) regarding her Indigenous status. Because she doesnt have brown hair, brown eyes, brown skin and broad features, and has a white mother and white brother, she is *obviously* not really Aboriginal (sarcasm there folks). I have put in complaints to organisations many times because of the attitude of their staff regarding this. My husband also has his culture and race go unrecognised on a regular basis because he is very tall, very broad shouldered, large weight wise, not particularly dark skinned and looks more (traditionally) Maori than Australian Aboriginal. 

Personally I am so used to people making assumptions about who I am that I take great delight in directly challenging their preconceptions. I have done this in regard to my mental health status (how can you have a family, an education, a job, be a counsellor etc and have chronic mental health issues?), my education (how can you be so well educated when you are a single mother, have mental health issues, live in a remote rural area?), my financial status (how can you own a house, hold down job, afford this and that when you are *insert whatever characterisation of the many that fit me*?), my health status (how can you have normal BP, normal this and normal that when you are morbidly obese?) etc. 

I detest generalisations and assumptionsm, they really do no one any service at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My daughter regularly has her culture &#8216;taken away&#8217; from her, or at least questioned. She is an Australian Aboriginal with very pale skin and blue eyes. I regularly have to argue with institutions (such as hospital staff) regarding her Indigenous status. Because she doesnt have brown hair, brown eyes, brown skin and broad features, and has a white mother and white brother, she is *obviously* not really Aboriginal (sarcasm there folks). I have put in complaints to organisations many times because of the attitude of their staff regarding this. My husband also has his culture and race go unrecognised on a regular basis because he is very tall, very broad shouldered, large weight wise, not particularly dark skinned and looks more (traditionally) Maori than Australian Aboriginal. </p>
<p>Personally I am so used to people making assumptions about who I am that I take great delight in directly challenging their preconceptions. I have done this in regard to my mental health status (how can you have a family, an education, a job, be a counsellor etc and have chronic mental health issues?), my education (how can you be so well educated when you are a single mother, have mental health issues, live in a remote rural area?), my financial status (how can you own a house, hold down job, afford this and that when you are *insert whatever characterisation of the many that fit me*?), my health status (how can you have normal BP, normal this and normal that when you are morbidly obese?) etc. </p>
<p>I detest generalisations and assumptionsm, they really do no one any service at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Chally</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/12/09/invisible-identities-part-2-the-default-human/#comment-4534</link>
		<dc:creator>Chally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 06:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are so welcome, everyone, thank you for your comments. And that&#039;s so great about your post, urocyon!

Monica: I really don&#039;t know, I&#039;m just starting to challenge these ideas in myself! I&#039;d love to hear suggestions. Anyone?

Naamah: I think I understand. My disability status is a political identity, a term of alliance and strength and marking out my social place. But to dominant society it&#039;s a mark of weakness, of being less than, when it&#039;s acknowledged at all. And regarding the variability of shared identities, my brother and I, for instance, have very different experiences of racialisation and racism. What great thoughts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are so welcome, everyone, thank you for your comments. And that&#8217;s so great about your post, urocyon!</p>
<p>Monica: I really don&#8217;t know, I&#8217;m just starting to challenge these ideas in myself! I&#8217;d love to hear suggestions. Anyone?</p>
<p>Naamah: I think I understand. My disability status is a political identity, a term of alliance and strength and marking out my social place. But to dominant society it&#8217;s a mark of weakness, of being less than, when it&#8217;s acknowledged at all. And regarding the variability of shared identities, my brother and I, for instance, have very different experiences of racialisation and racism. What great thoughts!</p>
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		<title>By: Naamah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Naamah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 02:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This  is a really great post.  Thank you, Chally.  Thank you very much.

I hope the following makes sense.  I&#039;m trying to word this so that it won&#039;t be misunderstood.

I am an incredibly curious person, I pay close attention to people for clues about their life and what they are like so that I can know them better and so that I can make my interactions with them more pleasant by being aware of potentially problematic areas.  Also, just because I&#039;m curious and find people fascinating.

One thing that being an incredibly curious person has taught me is how very little the identities that are most often used to sort us actually &lt;i&gt;have&lt;/i&gt; the meaning assigned to them by the dominant culture.

I can&#039;t say that these identities don&#039;t &quot;matter,&quot; they DO matter.  Mine matter to me so much!  They do describe and define me in certain ways, and are important parts of me.  But the words I use to describe myself and what a lot of folks mean by it when they put me in that box by using those same words are often two different things entirely.

Also, my identities can mean different things to me personally than to someone else with the same identities.  It&#039;s intensely variable.

One of the things I&#039;ve learned to be curious about is what words people use to define themselves, and what those words mean to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This  is a really great post.  Thank you, Chally.  Thank you very much.</p>
<p>I hope the following makes sense.  I&#8217;m trying to word this so that it won&#8217;t be misunderstood.</p>
<p>I am an incredibly curious person, I pay close attention to people for clues about their life and what they are like so that I can know them better and so that I can make my interactions with them more pleasant by being aware of potentially problematic areas.  Also, just because I&#8217;m curious and find people fascinating.</p>
<p>One thing that being an incredibly curious person has taught me is how very little the identities that are most often used to sort us actually <i>have</i> the meaning assigned to them by the dominant culture.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t say that these identities don&#8217;t &#8220;matter,&#8221; they DO matter.  Mine matter to me so much!  They do describe and define me in certain ways, and are important parts of me.  But the words I use to describe myself and what a lot of folks mean by it when they put me in that box by using those same words are often two different things entirely.</p>
<p>Also, my identities can mean different things to me personally than to someone else with the same identities.  It&#8217;s intensely variable.</p>
<p>One of the things I&#8217;ve learned to be curious about is what words people use to define themselves, and what those words mean to them.</p>
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		<title>By: urocyon</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/12/09/invisible-identities-part-2-the-default-human/#comment-4528</link>
		<dc:creator>urocyon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 02:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Chally! I could identify with a lot of it, and it helped inspire me to write up a post I&#039;d been trying to work up for a few days.

Thanks for the discussion on why &quot;colorblindness&quot; does more harm than good. That reminded me of another post I ran across recently at Body Impolitic, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.laurietobyedison.com/discuss/?p=1840&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Colorblindness, Race, and Children: The Elephant in the Living Room&lt;/a&gt;. This kind of privileged attitude has also made me come close to smacking my (ethnic Swedish) husband on more than one occasion. (Smacking people is not OK, but I was still sorely tempted out of frustration.) Just because you think race should no longer be an issue, and everybody should just get along, doesn&#039;t mean it will magically happen.

&lt;i&gt;And at the same time as I’m being misread, I have guilt, because sometimes I cultivate a white, abled image for safety or comfort.&lt;/i&gt;

I know that one. It&#039;s very uncomfortable indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Chally! I could identify with a lot of it, and it helped inspire me to write up a post I&#8217;d been trying to work up for a few days.</p>
<p>Thanks for the discussion on why &#8220;colorblindness&#8221; does more harm than good. That reminded me of another post I ran across recently at Body Impolitic, <a href="http://www.laurietobyedison.com/discuss/?p=1840" rel="nofollow">Colorblindness, Race, and Children: The Elephant in the Living Room</a>. This kind of privileged attitude has also made me come close to smacking my (ethnic Swedish) husband on more than one occasion. (Smacking people is not OK, but I was still sorely tempted out of frustration.) Just because you think race should no longer be an issue, and everybody should just get along, doesn&#8217;t mean it will magically happen.</p>
<p><i>And at the same time as I’m being misread, I have guilt, because sometimes I cultivate a white, abled image for safety or comfort.</i></p>
<p>I know that one. It&#8217;s very uncomfortable indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Monica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 01:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[trigger warn for mental health issues, esp. suicidality]

What a wonderful post, Chally! I&#039;m invisibly disabled (generalized anxiety disorder, comorbid depression) and it&#039;s getting bad enough that I feel like I&#039;m close to no longer being able to pass. There was an unpleasant incident earlier in the week when I felt like I may end up being pressured to out myself and the thought was really uncomfortable--the situation was that I had to work late on a project one night and would not be able to make it to the class the project was for in the morning, because sleep deprivation aggravates my mental health issues and at this point it would be tantamount to poking an already-angry bear. 

It has been my experience as a college student that people tend to assume &quot;Because I can survive on [x] hours of sleep a night, you should be able to survive on [x +/- 2] hours of sleep a night,&quot; and just have no concept of how damaging that kind of assumption can be. 

And my stuff has been so close to the surface lately that whenever someone says something like, &quot;so-and-so is crazy,&quot; or &quot;I have so much work to do, I kind of want to shoot myself,&quot; I really have to remind myself not to flinch. I&#039;ve had to ask my best friend twice in the past month specifically not to use language like that; the first time, she said she didn&#039;t really think of me as &quot;crazy,&quot; and I gently explained to her that I am. The second time, earlier tonight, she accepted it and we moved on. 

So the question for me is--what can I do in my daily life to un-invisibilize these identities, above and beyond being cognizant of my own perceptions and language use? Is there some kind of active teaspooning (in the parlance of Shakesville) that I can do? I&#039;ve begun challenging my own judgments and assumptions, to a degree, and sharing these thoughts with my loved ones, but is there more?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[trigger warn for mental health issues, esp. suicidality]</p>
<p>What a wonderful post, Chally! I&#8217;m invisibly disabled (generalized anxiety disorder, comorbid depression) and it&#8217;s getting bad enough that I feel like I&#8217;m close to no longer being able to pass. There was an unpleasant incident earlier in the week when I felt like I may end up being pressured to out myself and the thought was really uncomfortable&#8211;the situation was that I had to work late on a project one night and would not be able to make it to the class the project was for in the morning, because sleep deprivation aggravates my mental health issues and at this point it would be tantamount to poking an already-angry bear. </p>
<p>It has been my experience as a college student that people tend to assume &#8220;Because I can survive on [x] hours of sleep a night, you should be able to survive on [x +/- 2] hours of sleep a night,&#8221; and just have no concept of how damaging that kind of assumption can be. </p>
<p>And my stuff has been so close to the surface lately that whenever someone says something like, &#8220;so-and-so is crazy,&#8221; or &#8220;I have so much work to do, I kind of want to shoot myself,&#8221; I really have to remind myself not to flinch. I&#8217;ve had to ask my best friend twice in the past month specifically not to use language like that; the first time, she said she didn&#8217;t really think of me as &#8220;crazy,&#8221; and I gently explained to her that I am. The second time, earlier tonight, she accepted it and we moved on. </p>
<p>So the question for me is&#8211;what can I do in my daily life to un-invisibilize these identities, above and beyond being cognizant of my own perceptions and language use? Is there some kind of active teaspooning (in the parlance of Shakesville) that I can do? I&#8217;ve begun challenging my own judgments and assumptions, to a degree, and sharing these thoughts with my loved ones, but is there more?</p>
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		<title>By: Kali</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/12/09/invisible-identities-part-2-the-default-human/#comment-4523</link>
		<dc:creator>Kali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 01:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually was REALLY happy when I found the term cis.  I suppose because I have had friends who identify as trans, genderqueer, gender-bending, and non-gendered since I was in high school.  A word that describes me without being detrimental to anyone else, I thought, was great.

I hear you on identifying people by race.  I try very hard not to.  I&#039;d prefer to describe someone by their clothing or by a distinguishing feature like length or style of hear than by their race.

I agree about the whole idea of colorblindness.  It&#039;s a way to say &#039;but that doesn&#039;t matter, because we&#039;re all the default color now&#039; when the default color has always been white in the US and UK.  I can&#039;t speak for other places.  I am white, but have no desire to erase anyone else&#039;s culture and heritage.

I can&#039;t pass as being healthy anymore (well, except when people assume I&#039;m training my service dog not working with him).  But I do routinely pass as straight, and I leave it that way because...well, because correcting the assumption tends to lead to conversations I don&#039;t want to have, usually men asking me about having threesomes.  I&#039;m heteroflexible/bi, and if I don&#039;t have a reason to change the straight assumption (like a girl I&#039;m over the moon about), I don&#039;t.

~Kali
www.brilliantmindbrokenbody.wordpress.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually was REALLY happy when I found the term cis.  I suppose because I have had friends who identify as trans, genderqueer, gender-bending, and non-gendered since I was in high school.  A word that describes me without being detrimental to anyone else, I thought, was great.</p>
<p>I hear you on identifying people by race.  I try very hard not to.  I&#8217;d prefer to describe someone by their clothing or by a distinguishing feature like length or style of hear than by their race.</p>
<p>I agree about the whole idea of colorblindness.  It&#8217;s a way to say &#8216;but that doesn&#8217;t matter, because we&#8217;re all the default color now&#8217; when the default color has always been white in the US and UK.  I can&#8217;t speak for other places.  I am white, but have no desire to erase anyone else&#8217;s culture and heritage.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t pass as being healthy anymore (well, except when people assume I&#8217;m training my service dog not working with him).  But I do routinely pass as straight, and I leave it that way because&#8230;well, because correcting the assumption tends to lead to conversations I don&#8217;t want to have, usually men asking me about having threesomes.  I&#8217;m heteroflexible/bi, and if I don&#8217;t have a reason to change the straight assumption (like a girl I&#8217;m over the moon about), I don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>~Kali<br />
<a href="http://www.brilliantmindbrokenbody.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.brilliantmindbrokenbody.wordpress.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chally</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s okay, Kaz.

Let&#039;s talk about the post now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s okay, Kaz.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s talk about the post now.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaz</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/12/09/invisible-identities-part-2-the-default-human/#comment-4519</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I was hoping not to have it come off as &quot;but me me let&#039;s focus on me and my special issues as a white person!&quot; but looking back on it I see that I did the whole taking statements personally when they&#039;re about general trends thing and did, in fact, make it all about me me me! This is why I should not post when in a hurry - I am really, really sorry, everyone. Just ignore my post up there please?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I was hoping not to have it come off as &#8220;but me me let&#8217;s focus on me and my special issues as a white person!&#8221; but looking back on it I see that I did the whole taking statements personally when they&#8217;re about general trends thing and did, in fact, make it all about me me me! This is why I should not post when in a hurry &#8211; I am really, really sorry, everyone. Just ignore my post up there please?</p>
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