Comments on: Invisible Identities, Part 1: Invisible to Whom? http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/25/invisible-identities-part-1-invisible-to-whom/ FWD (feminists with disabilities) for a way forward Sat, 13 Mar 2010 16:23:03 +0000 hourly 1 By: Chally http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/25/invisible-identities-part-1-invisible-to-whom/#comment-7062 Chally Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:39:20 +0000 http://disabledfeminists.com/?p=1664#comment-7062 Whether and how faith and particular faiths are privileged or not certainly varies a lot across different contexts. Can everyone respect k0's experiences please? That's enough derail. I'll not be letting any more off-topic comments through. Whether and how faith and particular faiths are privileged or not certainly varies a lot across different contexts. Can everyone respect k0’s experiences please?

That’s enough derail. I’ll not be letting any more off-topic comments through.

]]> By: AWV http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/25/invisible-identities-part-1-invisible-to-whom/#comment-7060 AWV Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:28:22 +0000 http://disabledfeminists.com/?p=1664#comment-7060 I'm pretty frequently told by atheists that it's stupid for me to be a theist, and have been expected to justify my theism. I've also been told that my theism might be why I don't agree with overdramatic, essentialist statements about sex differences, and more or less asked if my theism is a result of my disability. I am in pretty liberal spaces at this point, so I know my situation is not the standard American situation and definitely not the standard Earth situation (depending on the country). But I feel confused by the idea that theists are the privileged group and atheists are not, because that isn't my experience. Possibly the different people in this thread come from different environments/background in terms of theism vs. atheism, and therefore are having trouble understanding what the other people's experience is? (including me) I’m pretty frequently told by atheists that it’s stupid for me to be a theist, and have been expected to justify my theism. I’ve also been told that my theism might be why I don’t agree with overdramatic, essentialist statements about sex differences, and more or less asked if my theism is a result of my disability. I am in pretty liberal spaces at this point, so I know my situation is not the standard American situation and definitely not the standard Earth situation (depending on the country). But I feel confused by the idea that theists are the privileged group and atheists are not, because that isn’t my experience.

Possibly the different people in this thread come from different environments/background in terms of theism vs. atheism, and therefore are having trouble understanding what the other people’s experience is? (including me)

]]> By: kaninchenzero http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/25/invisible-identities-part-1-invisible-to-whom/#comment-7058 kaninchenzero Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:14:05 +0000 http://disabledfeminists.com/?p=1664#comment-7058 "Some of" means just me does it? Perhaps you mean well. What gives you the right to assume that the people who have said bigoted things to me meant well? Even if they did what does it matter? Meaning well is not doing well and I still get the lesson that I need to stay closeted reinforced. From them and from you. So you were offended by my very general and active statement in the context of other very general and active statements (they all are of the same form whether you choose to read them that way or not); I don't care. If marginalized people are going to be able to speak of their experiences honestly it will not always be comfortable for privileged people. I get to experience this discomfort when I'm the person with privilege on a particular axis. My job is to cope with being uncomfortable. I don't get to push my discomfort onto the marginalized people and make them deal with that before anything else can happen. .-= kaninchenzero´s last blog ..<a href="http://kaninchenzero.livejournal.com/250540.html" rel="nofollow">I Wish I Could Like My Game Better Than I Do</a> =-. “Some of” means just me does it?

Perhaps you mean well. What gives you the right to assume that the people who have said bigoted things to me meant well? Even if they did what does it matter? Meaning well is not doing well and I still get the lesson that I need to stay closeted reinforced. From them and from you.

So you were offended by my very general and active statement in the context of other very general and active statements (they all are of the same form whether you choose to read them that way or not); I don’t care. If marginalized people are going to be able to speak of their experiences honestly it will not always be comfortable for privileged people. I get to experience this discomfort when I’m the person with privilege on a particular axis. My job is to cope with being uncomfortable. I don’t get to push my discomfort onto the marginalized people and make them deal with that before anything else can happen.
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]]> By: Rosella http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/25/invisible-identities-part-1-invisible-to-whom/#comment-7043 Rosella Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:33:57 +0000 http://disabledfeminists.com/?p=1664#comment-7043 First, I want to say that this is a wonderful post. You really articulated how I have felt about living with learning disabilities. Having said that, I wanted to address some of the other comments. kaninchenzero- your theist remark could offend some theists (including me) becuase it marked a switch in your discussion of privliage from ignorance to agression. While I believe that your stories of verbal abuse from well meaning but misguided theists, I take issue with your statement because it is one thing to suggest unintended ignorance and another thing to suggest intentional malice. First, I want to say that this is a wonderful post. You really articulated how I have felt about living with learning disabilities. Having said that, I wanted to address some of the other comments.

kaninchenzero- your theist remark could offend some theists (including me) becuase it marked a switch in your discussion of privliage from ignorance to agression. While I believe that your stories of verbal abuse from well meaning but misguided theists, I take issue with your statement because it is one thing to suggest unintended ignorance and another thing to suggest intentional malice.

]]> By: Chally http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/25/invisible-identities-part-1-invisible-to-whom/#comment-3977 Chally Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:49:49 +0000 http://disabledfeminists.com/?p=1664#comment-3977 Personally, I don't think I'm ever going to find anything right for me. I'm just frustrated that not being impaired is held to be the default setting and we have to try find something! Grr. Personally, I don’t think I’m ever going to find anything right for me. I’m just frustrated that not being impaired is held to be the default setting and we have to try find something! Grr.

]]> By: kaninchenzero http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/25/invisible-identities-part-1-invisible-to-whom/#comment-3970 kaninchenzero Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:16:03 +0000 http://disabledfeminists.com/?p=1664#comment-3970 Perhaps that's a problem but do we need a single word that's always exactly right in every context? Me I don't mind being wordy and saying 'My disabilities are often disregarded by the neuro/physiotypical' but mileage does vary. Perhaps that’s a problem but do we need a single word that’s always exactly right in every context? Me I don’t mind being wordy and saying ‘My disabilities are often disregarded by the neuro/physiotypical’ but mileage does vary.

]]> By: The Bald Soprano http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/25/invisible-identities-part-1-invisible-to-whom/#comment-3968 The Bald Soprano Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:34:34 +0000 http://disabledfeminists.com/?p=1664#comment-3968 The White Lady: I think there's the same problematic possibility with unacknowledged as with disregarded. The White Lady: I think there’s the same problematic possibility with unacknowledged as with disregarded.

]]> By: The White Lady http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/25/invisible-identities-part-1-invisible-to-whom/#comment-3965 The White Lady Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:08:59 +0000 http://disabledfeminists.com/?p=1664#comment-3965 disregarded disabilities....I like that one. On the other hand, it could be taken to mean that we disregard them, so perhaps Unacknowledged would be better. disregarded disabilities….I like that one. On the other hand, it could be taken to mean that we disregard them, so perhaps Unacknowledged would be better.

]]> By: kaninchenzero http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/25/invisible-identities-part-1-invisible-to-whom/#comment-3961 kaninchenzero Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:34:01 +0000 http://disabledfeminists.com/?p=1664#comment-3961 Ignorable disabilities. Unacknowledged disabilites. Disregarded? Ignorable disabilities. Unacknowledged disabilites. Disregarded?

]]> By: The Bald Soprano http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/25/invisible-identities-part-1-invisible-to-whom/#comment-3951 The Bald Soprano Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:42:40 +0000 http://disabledfeminists.com/?p=1664#comment-3951 Amandaw: My first reaction was 'unnoticed disability, that sounds kind of interesting as a replacement', but then I thought that maybe it might seem more like the PWD isn't aware of the disability rather than someone else. Amandaw: My first reaction was ‘unnoticed disability, that sounds kind of interesting as a replacement’, but then I thought that maybe it might seem more like the PWD isn’t aware of the disability rather than someone else.

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