22 responses to “On Language, Again”

  1. LeeLee

    I have an obnoxious language question. :) I’m familiar with “ou” as an epicene pronoun, but I only remember it as a subject pronoun. Are you using it as a possessive pronoun (to refer to ou gait) as a matter of convenience?

    I have no quibble with it – just curious. I would very much love for English to have gender-neutral pronouns in standard usage.

  2. Marley

    This post is absolutely wonderful. Thank you. I may have to print it out and pass it around.

  3. Kat

    As someone who has studied multiple languages, the “it’s ok in x language” stuff makes no sense at all. I could write volumes on this. Basically, things don’t always translate well. Also there are certain cultural aspects in one language that aren’t in another. Calling someone a shoe in English would be ok (kind of weird but ok). Calling someone a shoe in Arabic could get you in a fight (I saw this happen when I lived in Egypt for 2 months). It’s a very insulting. I can’t even think of something that would be an English equivalent.

  4. QLH

    Fantastic post. Thank you so much for this. I run into these arguments all of the time when asking people not to use homophobic slurs, ableist slurs, misogynist slurs, etc.

    ““Ou” actually has some basis in English usage”

    Really? Off to look that up!

  5. Sarah TX

    On the tangent – I read an article about a school in… Philadelphia? maybe? where the kids started using “yo” has a gender-neutral pronoun.

    On-topic: I am going to bookmark this post and whip it out all the time. Thanks!

  6. Melissa

    Wow. What an insightful article! Now I have something to point people at when they use the word “slut” or “whore” or any number of other insulting words. Not just for ableist words anymore!

  7. Kat

    “But, here’s my question: Knowing that a particular word use hurts someone, would you continue using it around that person? I make modifications to my language all the time to be respectful to people who have informed me that specific words/constructions hurt them. I don’t have to agree with them to do this, I can privately think that they are being completely wrongheaded, but I can respect their position, modify my language, and not try to argue. It’s not an immense hardship, and it’s a decent thing to do.”

    This is just such a simple concept that it is unfathomable to me that more people don’t get it. What the problem is, at its base, is a fundamental feeling of entitlement. It amazes me that anyone can prioritize their “right” to use language that is offensive and demoralizing to other people over the right of other people to feel safe and feel that their concerns are being validated. This is privilege at its worst — the belief that one’s own need for convenience (even when what is being requested is a negligible inconvenience) trumps another person’s feelings.

  8. Kaz

    “It’s okay in x language” makes absolutely no sense at all. Languages being *different* and all – I’ve actually been spending some time thinking about ableism in the German language, and suspect that one of the reasons I have a much easier time identifying as “disabled” than as “behindert” although they mean the same thing is that “behindert” is used as a catch-all perjorative in German, much like “lame” or “gay”. (This has made me so so glad that “disabled” has as far as I can see so far escaped that treatment.) Although I find the instances of parallel development quite telling as well – e.g. the German words for “gay” and “lame” have perjorative meanings pretty much exactly corresponding to the ones in English (although the one for “lame” is less widely used and has a more specific meaning, I think), and there’s also a shortening of “Spastiker”. Seeing similar words follow the same trajectories in different languages really makes you see how the underlying attitudes are the same.

    [...\linguistic digression]

    And so much WORD to this post. There is no language police, nobody is going to turn up at your door in the middle of the night and arrest you for using ableist language. All people are saying is THAT CERTAIN THINGS ARE OFFENSIVE AND WHY. If you want to keep using it, nobody is stopping you, just be aware that you are hurting people.

    Sheesh.

    (I’ve seen a few posts attacking the ableist language series – “oh my god, I’m suddenly not allowed to use all these words I like!” “I’m a writer, how dare you try to limit the words I can use!” “My characters wouldn’t speak like that anyway!” and it really pisses me off. ><)

  9. Kaz

    Yes! Exactly! I’ve had a similar experience – it’s made me realise just how much I use parts of ableist language as a cheap and easy shortcut to the effect I want. It’s like, I can’t be bothered putting in the effort to actually describe why I think this thing sucks, so I’ll just compare them to disabled people! That’ll make people think it sucks! And it’s like, like you’re fixing something with kiddie glue instead of properly with nails because you can’t be bothered to put in the time to do it properly. And then you complain when people say “uh, maybe you shouldn’t be using kiddie glue” because zomg you’re a CRAFTSMAN (craftswoman?) and how DARE people try to take your tools away from you? Except that the kiddie glue is made up out of the blood and tears of disabled people and… okay this metaphor is going very strange places.

  10. romham

    great post.

    an aside to your aside, meloukhia.

    you said: “(Singular “they” causes me to shudder; the only justifications I’ve seen for it cite bowdlerized texts which were edited to insert a singular they to replace a gendered pronoun.)”

    i use they/them as my pronoun, and i certainly dont need to justify it. Since we’re talking about challenging and changing language, i think considering the fabulousness of everyones pronoun preferences, without any required justifications, is a good thing.

  11. Shiyiya

    So much concurring on the can people please pick ONE word or set of words for gender-neutral pronouns. I can think of like, half a dozen variations and it is confusing as all hell. (Especially because one of said variations uses ’shi’ as one of the pronouns, and I use Shi as a nickname…..)

    Erm, more ontopic! I really really don’t get people who are all RAGH YOU CANNOT MAKE ME STOP USING THIS WORD. I do not understand the lack of empathy involved at ALL. Someone tells me something bothers them, I STOP DOING IT (or at least make a serious effort to – I’m human and all, mistakes occur). I don’t get being furious at someone calling you on being offensive. (Terminally embarrassed at having said something hurtful without thinking, yes, but actively angry, no)

    I think I had a point here, but I read Kaz’s comment while I was typing and now I’m just amused at the strange wandering metaphor.

    (Oh, and now I keep picking out things that are ableist in songs and trying to decide if it’s the songwriter’s prejudice or that of the character in the song. It’s driving me up the wall a bit because I like enjoying art-things uncritically but I’m really bad at turning off that bit of my brain :P )
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  12. Anji

    These posts on language are so, so amazing. I’ve been using them frequently when calling people out on their ableist language. It’s so handy to be able to just pop a link at someone, rather than trying to find adequate words to explain to them why what they are doing is wrong. So thanks, for saving me spoons and making life a little easier when calling people out!

  13. Icca

    Awesome. I was just having a conversation about ableist language, and things like the strongness argument came up. I really enjoyed reading this, and I’m going to link it to my conversation partner because I think he’ll enjoy it too.

    (It’s really funny how prescient this site is. Whenever a conversation comes up off the internet about ableism, without fail the next time I check FWD/Forward it’s covered here!)

  14. Penny

    It’s fantastic to have this all in one concise, organized post, handy for linking. Thank you.

  15. Kaitlyn

    But how do you approach people who refuse to listen?

    I think I’d actually be thrilled if my sister used “lame” instead of “gay” as her go-to “you/that sucks!” word.

    I’m trying to wean her off homophobia… she’s the type of person who hears about white/cis/strait/etc privilege and assumes you’re accusing her of being bad.

    Shiyiya – second the terminally embarrassed. See (please don’t) my foot in mouth with each post on the chatterday thread.

    My sister and her really lovely friends – http://ohmonkeytrumpets.blogspot.com/2009/03/something-that-pissed-me-off.html

    And it’s so damned stupid that I can’t think of anything to say back. Not that it matters if I do say something. I tried to get John and Beck to stop using “gay” as pejorative, so they switched to homosexual.

  16. romham

    meloukhia said:
    “Oh yeah, romham, it’s fine for other people to use it, it’s just not for me; that comment was not intended to be some sort of judgment on people who do opt to use a singular they.”

    Well in that case, no justifications would be needed, right? Being told that my pronoun makes someone shudder is a judgement. It’s certainly not the first time i’ve heard that and worse, but i want this to be a space without that kind of stuff is all. Just offering some food for thought.

  17. Sasha_feather

    @Kaitlyn:

    I think I’d actually be thrilled if my sister used “lame” instead of “gay” as her go-to “you/that sucks!” word.

    I understand that this kind of activism is frustrating, but I want to challenge this statement. Why is it less bad to malign disabled people than gay people? And remember, people can be both disabled and gay.

    There are other words to use as insults that do not insult someone’s identity. My favorite is “fool” becuase it’s occupational– someone can act or play the fool, it means mistaken, or to be like a court jester. It’s an identity, but not an oppressed one.

    And when you are arguing with someone who won’t listen, I think sometimes the best thing to do is to back away, to remove yourself from the situation if possible, to protect your emotional safety. If you can’t get away, try changing the subject. It is hardest with family.

  18. almandite

    You know, I’ve been struggling with the concept of ableist language for a while. I’ve written about excising the “r” word from our vocabulary, but I’ve never been really convinced that I should do the same with “idiot” or “lame”.

    But. You said

    “And, in the case of ableist words, these roots are in ableism. The reason that these words are effective insults is because of ableism. Hence, when people use them, they are reinforcing ableist culture.”

    And

    “If we didn’t live in an ableist society, calling someone an ableist term wouldn’t carry any strength and force. It’s the ableism behind the term that makes it strong. So you’ve got a choice: You can decide to stop using words which are hurtful, recognizing that sometimes it is really hard, or you can decide to keep using those words, recognizing that this contributes to the perpetuation of ableism.”

    And now I don’t know what to think, what to do. What should I do when my friend use these words? What word should I use when I’m expressing disgust or frustration at a mistake I’ve made? Can a word ever evolve enough to move completely away from its ableist roots, and how would I know?

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