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		<title>By: Kowalski</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/20/disability-101-what-is-able-bodied-or-abled-privilege/#comment-8152</link>
		<dc:creator>Kowalski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 16:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;9. If I ask to speak to someone &quot;in charge&quot;, I can be relatively assured that the person will make eye contact with me and not treat me like I am stupid.&quot;

From the able-bodied privilege checklist.

I think I&#039;m going to have to work on a cognitive ability privilege checklist, or something like that, because both the Neurotypical as well as the able-bodied privilege checklist seem to ignore this aspect.
.-= Kowalski´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://turnerandkowalski.wordpress.com/2010/02/19/ban-the-r-treatment-whatever-the-politically-correct-term-is/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ban The R-Treatment: “Whatever the politically correct term is”&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;9. If I ask to speak to someone &#8220;in charge&#8221;, I can be relatively assured that the person will make eye contact with me and not treat me like I am stupid.&#8221;</p>
<p>From the able-bodied privilege checklist.</p>
<p>I think I&#8217;m going to have to work on a cognitive ability privilege checklist, or something like that, because both the Neurotypical as well as the able-bodied privilege checklist seem to ignore this aspect.<br />
.-= Kowalski´s last blog ..<a href="http://turnerandkowalski.wordpress.com/2010/02/19/ban-the-r-treatment-whatever-the-politically-correct-term-is/" rel="nofollow">Ban The R-Treatment: “Whatever the politically correct term is”</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Angie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Avalance is an interesting word. I didn&#039;t really think of it that way before, as being so relentless.

I sorta know what you mean, as my husband has some problems too and everybody is constantly asking if he&#039;s better yet, if he&#039;ll get back to any kind of work, making suggestions about this great herbal remedy, etc...  It does get frustrating, so if I take the time I can imagine how it could be worse for someone with a visible disability.

I just find it hard to get around the idea that it feels rude to me to just converse with someone as if I haven&#039;t even noticed something difficult for them, even if it&#039;s just to say &#039;Oh I&#039;m sorry, that must be hard&#039;, and then get on with the conversation. I will try to know better, and hold my tongue in future. But it will still be a bit against my instincts, so it is something I will have to remember to actively resist.

Thank you for taking the time to explain for, no doubt, the umpteenth time for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Avalance is an interesting word. I didn&#8217;t really think of it that way before, as being so relentless.</p>
<p>I sorta know what you mean, as my husband has some problems too and everybody is constantly asking if he&#8217;s better yet, if he&#8217;ll get back to any kind of work, making suggestions about this great herbal remedy, etc&#8230;  It does get frustrating, so if I take the time I can imagine how it could be worse for someone with a visible disability.</p>
<p>I just find it hard to get around the idea that it feels rude to me to just converse with someone as if I haven&#8217;t even noticed something difficult for them, even if it&#8217;s just to say &#8216;Oh I&#8217;m sorry, that must be hard&#8217;, and then get on with the conversation. I will try to know better, and hold my tongue in future. But it will still be a bit against my instincts, so it is something I will have to remember to actively resist.</p>
<p>Thank you for taking the time to explain for, no doubt, the umpteenth time for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/20/disability-101-what-is-able-bodied-or-abled-privilege/#comment-8025</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 23:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Angie, I totally get that you&#039;re trying to be polite and hunting for the best way to ask your question.  Here&#039;s my answer, although I&#039;d remind that, just like the rest of the population, people with disabilities are all unique individuals who don&#039;t have the same reaction to everything.

Maybe I shall turn this around.  Assuming that the gravatar image is you.  Why is your hair like that?  Oh, dear, you know, I once knew someone with hair like that, and they took this special herb for three weeks and crossed their eyes while sitting under the full moon and POOF! their hair went back to normal.  Does it hurt to have your hair that way?  Do you know how people like you, with hair like that, are ruining for REAL people with REAL hair problems?  Oh, you poor dear, you must need a lot of help with hair like that.  Gosh, why would ANYONE date someone with hair like that?  Are you capable of having sex with hair that way?  Can I ask you some personal questions about your hair - is your hair that color all the way down if you know what I mean? *stare* *stare* *stare* *stare* *stare*

Except all the time.  Everywhere.

And if at any point you&#039;re not really really really nice and willing to tell people the intimate details of your life, you&#039;re an *awful* human being, and now whoever you&#039;re talking to will NEVER trust anyone with hair like yours again.

I get, sincerely, that people who ask questions about my husband&#039;s body are just curious, and don&#039;t mean any harm by it.

But neither did the &lt;em&gt;six other people&lt;/em&gt; who asked today.  Neither did the doctor who bent his fingers backwards just to see how far they&#039;d go.  Neither did my mother, who asks every single time she calls if he&#039;s gotten any better yet.  Neither did the person who used my personal medical situation to ask if my husband was &quot;capable&quot; of having sex.

It gets tiring, and alienating.

I mean, yeah - as an individual person, you&#039;re not doing anything wrong.  It&#039;s just you&#039;re part of the avalanche.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angie, I totally get that you&#8217;re trying to be polite and hunting for the best way to ask your question.  Here&#8217;s my answer, although I&#8217;d remind that, just like the rest of the population, people with disabilities are all unique individuals who don&#8217;t have the same reaction to everything.</p>
<p>Maybe I shall turn this around.  Assuming that the gravatar image is you.  Why is your hair like that?  Oh, dear, you know, I once knew someone with hair like that, and they took this special herb for three weeks and crossed their eyes while sitting under the full moon and POOF! their hair went back to normal.  Does it hurt to have your hair that way?  Do you know how people like you, with hair like that, are ruining for REAL people with REAL hair problems?  Oh, you poor dear, you must need a lot of help with hair like that.  Gosh, why would ANYONE date someone with hair like that?  Are you capable of having sex with hair that way?  Can I ask you some personal questions about your hair &#8211; is your hair that color all the way down if you know what I mean? *stare* *stare* *stare* *stare* *stare*</p>
<p>Except all the time.  Everywhere.</p>
<p>And if at any point you&#8217;re not really really really nice and willing to tell people the intimate details of your life, you&#8217;re an *awful* human being, and now whoever you&#8217;re talking to will NEVER trust anyone with hair like yours again.</p>
<p>I get, sincerely, that people who ask questions about my husband&#8217;s body are just curious, and don&#8217;t mean any harm by it.</p>
<p>But neither did the <em>six other people</em> who asked today.  Neither did the doctor who bent his fingers backwards just to see how far they&#8217;d go.  Neither did my mother, who asks every single time she calls if he&#8217;s gotten any better yet.  Neither did the person who used my personal medical situation to ask if my husband was &#8220;capable&#8221; of having sex.</p>
<p>It gets tiring, and alienating.</p>
<p>I mean, yeah &#8211; as an individual person, you&#8217;re not doing anything wrong.  It&#8217;s just you&#8217;re part of the avalanche.</p>
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		<title>By: Angie</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/20/disability-101-what-is-able-bodied-or-abled-privilege/#comment-8022</link>
		<dc:creator>Angie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 23:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s human nature to ask about anything obviously different, and certainly in my nature to enquire sympathetically about anything that looks painful or debilitating. In most instances it seems easier to carry on a normal conversation once the element which is different has at least been acknowleged. Am I to understand that it makes PWD feel that it&#039;s rude to point it out all the time? Is my enquiring politely always coming across in some way other than how it is meant? :/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s human nature to ask about anything obviously different, and certainly in my nature to enquire sympathetically about anything that looks painful or debilitating. In most instances it seems easier to carry on a normal conversation once the element which is different has at least been acknowleged. Am I to understand that it makes PWD feel that it&#8217;s rude to point it out all the time? Is my enquiring politely always coming across in some way other than how it is meant? :/</p>
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		<title>By: The Goldfish</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/20/disability-101-what-is-able-bodied-or-abled-privilege/#comment-3153</link>
		<dc:creator>The Goldfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Meloukhia &amp; Annaham,

I look forward to the discussion. There are probably much better things to read on the subject, but I did do a post at the BBC a few years back about &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ouch/200707/so_what_are_we_going_to_call_t.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;what we call people who are not disabled&lt;/a&gt;. Probably the best thing about it is the comment from a non-disabled person who proposed to describe himself as &quot;disability challenged&quot;. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Meloukhia &amp; Annaham,</p>
<p>I look forward to the discussion. There are probably much better things to read on the subject, but I did do a post at the BBC a few years back about <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ouch/200707/so_what_are_we_going_to_call_t.html" rel="nofollow">what we call people who are not disabled</a>. Probably the best thing about it is the comment from a non-disabled person who proposed to describe himself as &#8220;disability challenged&#8221;. <img src='http://disabledfeminists.com/fwd/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: LeeLee</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeeLee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 23:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My husband had a big, gnarly, open knee surgery. Then he got a resistant staph infection and had two more surgeries. Even with the nearly hip-to-ankle brace on, it was a mess. Gauze, drains, bandages, etc. He was in the Army, and his unit was gearing up to deploy to Iraq. When random strangers would ask, hoping to hear that he was heroically injured in combat, we&#039;d tell them that I kicked him so he wouldn&#039;t have to deploy.  In truth, he just injured his knee at PT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband had a big, gnarly, open knee surgery. Then he got a resistant staph infection and had two more surgeries. Even with the nearly hip-to-ankle brace on, it was a mess. Gauze, drains, bandages, etc. He was in the Army, and his unit was gearing up to deploy to Iraq. When random strangers would ask, hoping to hear that he was heroically injured in combat, we&#8217;d tell them that I kicked him so he wouldn&#8217;t have to deploy.  In truth, he just injured his knee at PT.</p>
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		<title>By: Annaham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annaham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 23:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goldfish, that is a great point. The reason why I used these admittedly VERY problematic terms is because 1) This is a post designed to introduce people to these concepts and 2) These terms are probably what we have right now, and I am trying to work with the existing terms (even though they are pretty crappy!). I think a bigger discussion is definitely a great idea, and we probably have something like that coming up at some point. 

I also think part of impairment is social (and not just personal), but that is for another post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goldfish, that is a great point. The reason why I used these admittedly VERY problematic terms is because 1) This is a post designed to introduce people to these concepts and 2) These terms are probably what we have right now, and I am trying to work with the existing terms (even though they are pretty crappy!). I think a bigger discussion is definitely a great idea, and we probably have something like that coming up at some point. </p>
<p>I also think part of impairment is social (and not just personal), but that is for another post.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/20/disability-101-what-is-able-bodied-or-abled-privilege/#comment-3126</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When people ask me &quot;What happened to you?&quot; I respond with &quot;Nothing&quot;.  Because, actually, that is the truth.  I was born with my impairment/disability.

Also, if you were not born with your impairment/disability, &quot;nothing&quot; works too.  It shuts them up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When people ask me &#8220;What happened to you?&#8221; I respond with &#8220;Nothing&#8221;.  Because, actually, that is the truth.  I was born with my impairment/disability.</p>
<p>Also, if you were not born with your impairment/disability, &#8220;nothing&#8221; works too.  It shuts them up.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaitlyn</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/20/disability-101-what-is-able-bodied-or-abled-privilege/#comment-3116</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaitlyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As to what to say to people about your body looking/acting odd - 

I had my thyroid removed in 2003 when I was 14. It&#039;s not as bad as they used to be, but it&#039;s still there. And I like my breasts, I like clothes meant for them, so the base of my neck is often visible.

One guy - don&#039;t know him, never saw him again - almost made me cry by telling me I had seaweed on my neck. (It was at a campsite with a lake.)

Of course, later on, I just ran with it. I was eating lunch with some friends maybe a year or two later at school, and one of their other friends came and sat with us. I didn&#039;t know him. He asked me about my neck. I told him it was tattoo. He believed me. I&#039;m horrible.

As for oversharing - I missed only half of one year due to a nasty skin infection. I told people what it was. They weren&#039;t happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As to what to say to people about your body looking/acting odd &#8211; </p>
<p>I had my thyroid removed in 2003 when I was 14. It&#8217;s not as bad as they used to be, but it&#8217;s still there. And I like my breasts, I like clothes meant for them, so the base of my neck is often visible.</p>
<p>One guy &#8211; don&#8217;t know him, never saw him again &#8211; almost made me cry by telling me I had seaweed on my neck. (It was at a campsite with a lake.)</p>
<p>Of course, later on, I just ran with it. I was eating lunch with some friends maybe a year or two later at school, and one of their other friends came and sat with us. I didn&#8217;t know him. He asked me about my neck. I told him it was tattoo. He believed me. I&#8217;m horrible.</p>
<p>As for oversharing &#8211; I missed only half of one year due to a nasty skin infection. I told people what it was. They weren&#8217;t happy.</p>
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		<title>By: meloukhia</title>
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		<dc:creator>meloukhia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Goldfish, you bring up some really important points here, and alas I am running out the door so I can&#039;t leave my usual small novel in response. But I did want to note that in fact we are planning an entirely separate discussion about defining &quot;able,&quot; discussing the problematic nature of &quot;able bodied&quot; and exploring the ways in which the terms for people without disabilities do indeed unconsciously privilege people with some types of impairments over others. It&#039;s a complicated and long discussion and we&#039;re looking forward to it; Annaham went here, I think, with terms she figured people would know/associate with because we haven&#039;t had this discussion yet, so I hope you don&#039;t take her framing/word use as a sign that we don&#039;t think it&#039;s a discussion which needs to happen.

One of the problems with 101, as you yourself identified here, is that it consists of building blocks, and sometimes the order of the building blocks gets a bit mucked up; we perhaps should have started with this exploration and then talked about able privilege.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Goldfish, you bring up some really important points here, and alas I am running out the door so I can&#8217;t leave my usual small novel in response. But I did want to note that in fact we are planning an entirely separate discussion about defining &#8220;able,&#8221; discussing the problematic nature of &#8220;able bodied&#8221; and exploring the ways in which the terms for people without disabilities do indeed unconsciously privilege people with some types of impairments over others. It&#8217;s a complicated and long discussion and we&#8217;re looking forward to it; Annaham went here, I think, with terms she figured people would know/associate with because we haven&#8217;t had this discussion yet, so I hope you don&#8217;t take her framing/word use as a sign that we don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a discussion which needs to happen.</p>
<p>One of the problems with 101, as you yourself identified here, is that it consists of building blocks, and sometimes the order of the building blocks gets a bit mucked up; we perhaps should have started with this exploration and then talked about able privilege.</p>
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