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		<title>By: hsofia</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/20/a-brief-psa-on-language/#comment-6359</link>
		<dc:creator>hsofia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About a year ago I started using the word &quot;wackadoo&quot; in lieu of &quot;crazy&quot; when referring to people who just make my head hurt with their nonsensical, confusing ways. I still describe *things* as &quot;crazy&quot; sometimes. Like, &quot;that traffic was crazy!&quot; What I&#039;m trying to say is that the traffic was exhausting, too long, confusing, and out of control. I&#039;m not sure if it&#039;s inappropriate to refer to THINGS as &quot;crazy&quot; &quot;moronic&quot; &quot;insane,&quot; etc. but I am going to work on some replacements for those, gradually. For me the hardest part is adjusting the very casual speech. Those things you say when you&#039;re exhausted (from that traffic), or frustrated, angry, or otherwise emotionally off-kilter. It&#039;s the interjections and exclamations that are the hardest to retrain. But &quot;wackadoo&quot; has worked out well, and so far no one has asked me, &quot;what the heck is that?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About a year ago I started using the word &#8220;wackadoo&#8221; in lieu of &#8220;crazy&#8221; when referring to people who just make my head hurt with their nonsensical, confusing ways. I still describe *things* as &#8220;crazy&#8221; sometimes. Like, &#8220;that traffic was crazy!&#8221; What I&#8217;m trying to say is that the traffic was exhausting, too long, confusing, and out of control. I&#8217;m not sure if it&#8217;s inappropriate to refer to THINGS as &#8220;crazy&#8221; &#8220;moronic&#8221; &#8220;insane,&#8221; etc. but I am going to work on some replacements for those, gradually. For me the hardest part is adjusting the very casual speech. Those things you say when you&#8217;re exhausted (from that traffic), or frustrated, angry, or otherwise emotionally off-kilter. It&#8217;s the interjections and exclamations that are the hardest to retrain. But &#8220;wackadoo&#8221; has worked out well, and so far no one has asked me, &#8220;what the heck is that?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Caitlan</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/20/a-brief-psa-on-language/#comment-3478</link>
		<dc:creator>Caitlan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t say it&#039;s too much to ask me to stop using those words, but it is not very easy. I&#039;m hoping as I work on it it will get easier. I already take a while to think of responses because of second guessing myself, and I think it takes noticeably longer for me to review: &quot;I want to say I don&#039;t want to freak out. Ok, can&#039;t say that. Okay, I can say melt down. Can I say melt down? I am going to go with that and come back to it later to decide.&quot; 

I really like this series, it gave me a gift of realizing that &quot;low intelligence&quot; isn&#039;t morally or objectively worse than high, which is quite hard to wrap my head around but liberating. I have shared it with a few friends and they were willing to think about it hypothetically but disagreed. But we&#039;ll see. 

The only word from the list I am not letting go of is scab, because strike breakers minimize the effect of the strike to the organization like a scab does. But I will probably not say it, I just won&#039;t worry that I should be correcting people who use it. (And it is a bit relevant as my school is in the throes of protesting a huge fee increase and reduced funding for student workers and grad students. Oh, California...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t say it&#8217;s too much to ask me to stop using those words, but it is not very easy. I&#8217;m hoping as I work on it it will get easier. I already take a while to think of responses because of second guessing myself, and I think it takes noticeably longer for me to review: &#8220;I want to say I don&#8217;t want to freak out. Ok, can&#8217;t say that. Okay, I can say melt down. Can I say melt down? I am going to go with that and come back to it later to decide.&#8221; </p>
<p>I really like this series, it gave me a gift of realizing that &#8220;low intelligence&#8221; isn&#8217;t morally or objectively worse than high, which is quite hard to wrap my head around but liberating. I have shared it with a few friends and they were willing to think about it hypothetically but disagreed. But we&#8217;ll see. </p>
<p>The only word from the list I am not letting go of is scab, because strike breakers minimize the effect of the strike to the organization like a scab does. But I will probably not say it, I just won&#8217;t worry that I should be correcting people who use it. (And it is a bit relevant as my school is in the throes of protesting a huge fee increase and reduced funding for student workers and grad students. Oh, California&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: kaninchenzero</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/20/a-brief-psa-on-language/#comment-3214</link>
		<dc:creator>kaninchenzero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The use of &#039;crazy&#039; as &#039;bad&#039; is ableist because the connotation is dependent on the ableist assumption that being mentally ill is objectively a bad thing, that disabilities are moral qualities and character flaws.  You personally don&#039;t have to invoke a comparison to a person with a disability; the invocation is inherent in language and societal attitudes.

Also: You (generalized you) don&#039;t get to decide how someone &lt;em&gt;hears&lt;/em&gt; what you say.  Especially if that someone is a marginalized person and you are speaking from a position of privilege.  This is a fundamental concept of social justice language work.

You don&#039;t &lt;em&gt;have&lt;/em&gt; to change how you talk, either.  We certainly aren&#039;t going to stop you as long as you aren&#039;t using abusive language here.  If it makes you uncomfortable to have it pointed out that your use of language is privileged, that&#039;s how it works.  Examination of internalized privilege is &lt;em&gt;always&lt;/em&gt; uncomfortable.  It stings when I do it.  But it&#039;s my responsibility to live with that discomfort because it&#039;s certainly not worse than the discomfort of actually living with institutional discrimination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The use of &#8216;crazy&#8217; as &#8216;bad&#8217; is ableist because the connotation is dependent on the ableist assumption that being mentally ill is objectively a bad thing, that disabilities are moral qualities and character flaws.  You personally don&#8217;t have to invoke a comparison to a person with a disability; the invocation is inherent in language and societal attitudes.</p>
<p>Also: You (generalized you) don&#8217;t get to decide how someone <em>hears</em> what you say.  Especially if that someone is a marginalized person and you are speaking from a position of privilege.  This is a fundamental concept of social justice language work.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t <em>have</em> to change how you talk, either.  We certainly aren&#8217;t going to stop you as long as you aren&#8217;t using abusive language here.  If it makes you uncomfortable to have it pointed out that your use of language is privileged, that&#8217;s how it works.  Examination of internalized privilege is <em>always</em> uncomfortable.  It stings when I do it.  But it&#8217;s my responsibility to live with that discomfort because it&#8217;s certainly not worse than the discomfort of actually living with institutional discrimination.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/20/a-brief-psa-on-language/#comment-3212</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aydan, what definitions are you trying to invoke when you call something &quot;crazy&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aydan, what definitions are you trying to invoke when you call something &#8220;crazy&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Aydan</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/20/a-brief-psa-on-language/#comment-3210</link>
		<dc:creator>Aydan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had never *seriously* considered this until I read this post, linked from... Feministing, I believe. This is definitely food for thought, as well as for reconsidering my vocabulary and the things I write.

But-- and this is a legitimate question/thought on my part, so please don&#039;t assume I&#039;m trolling, and I&#039;m sorry if it&#039;s offensive-- thinking about it, I don&#039;t entirely understand what makes language ableist or not ableist. It seems to be different from the idea of racist or sexist language. Some of the words mentioned have legitimate definitions that don&#039;t have anything to do with disability. When I refer to something as &quot;crazy,&quot; I&#039;m not implicitly invoking a comparison with a &quot;crazy person,&quot; but trying to invoke one of the other definitions. Is the idea that, presumably, these other definitions came out of the use of &quot;crazy&quot; as a descriptor of disability? Most of them didn&#039;t, though-- the primary definitions for &quot;crazy&quot; date back to about the same time. Is something considered ableist if any of its definitions apply to disability?

Thanks for the clarification; this is a very interesting idea!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had never *seriously* considered this until I read this post, linked from&#8230; Feministing, I believe. This is definitely food for thought, as well as for reconsidering my vocabulary and the things I write.</p>
<p>But&#8211; and this is a legitimate question/thought on my part, so please don&#8217;t assume I&#8217;m trolling, and I&#8217;m sorry if it&#8217;s offensive&#8211; thinking about it, I don&#8217;t entirely understand what makes language ableist or not ableist. It seems to be different from the idea of racist or sexist language. Some of the words mentioned have legitimate definitions that don&#8217;t have anything to do with disability. When I refer to something as &#8220;crazy,&#8221; I&#8217;m not implicitly invoking a comparison with a &#8220;crazy person,&#8221; but trying to invoke one of the other definitions. Is the idea that, presumably, these other definitions came out of the use of &#8220;crazy&#8221; as a descriptor of disability? Most of them didn&#8217;t, though&#8211; the primary definitions for &#8220;crazy&#8221; date back to about the same time. Is something considered ableist if any of its definitions apply to disability?</p>
<p>Thanks for the clarification; this is a very interesting idea!</p>
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		<title>By: amandaw</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/20/a-brief-psa-on-language/#comment-3123</link>
		<dc:creator>amandaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugh. But Lesly, don&#039;t you know no disabled people are hurt by that language? And NO one ever uses the words lame/retarded/moron in that way anymore! All those mobility-impaired people who suddenly hear the words gimp and lame referring to them? DON&#039;T EXIST. All the people with cognitive conditions who have been called retard, idiot, spaz and so forth? ALSO NOT CURRENTLY EXISTING. But, you know, Random Abled Person doesn&#039;t hear it much, just like Random Dude never sees any sexual harassment on the subway/train/trolley system, therefore IT NEVER HAPPENS SO THERE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh. But Lesly, don&#8217;t you know no disabled people are hurt by that language? And NO one ever uses the words lame/retarded/moron in that way anymore! All those mobility-impaired people who suddenly hear the words gimp and lame referring to them? DON&#8217;T EXIST. All the people with cognitive conditions who have been called retard, idiot, spaz and so forth? ALSO NOT CURRENTLY EXISTING. But, you know, Random Abled Person doesn&#8217;t hear it much, just like Random Dude never sees any sexual harassment on the subway/train/trolley system, therefore IT NEVER HAPPENS SO THERE.</p>
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		<title>By: Lesly</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/20/a-brief-psa-on-language/#comment-3121</link>
		<dc:creator>Lesly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve made numerous announcements at my school&#039;s weekly General Meeting to ask students and teachers not to use those words. Unfortunately, instead of complying everyone has either started arguing with me or completely ignored me. I&#039;m really not sure what to do anymore. It&#039;s either let it go and die a little on the inside everytime someone screams &quot;LAME!&quot; while I&#039;m in the room, or have the entire school turn against me because I&#039;m trying to make a positive change. The worst part is, my school is an alternative school of about 80 students and our main rule is respect. I&#039;m having the same problem trying to get my mother to quit saying &quot;retarded&quot;, &quot;idiot&quot;, &quot;lame&quot;, and &quot;moron&quot;. When I try to tell her those words are offensive she generally calls me an idiot and tells me to stop correcting her like she&#039;s a moron. Uphill battle: 2 Me: 0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve made numerous announcements at my school&#8217;s weekly General Meeting to ask students and teachers not to use those words. Unfortunately, instead of complying everyone has either started arguing with me or completely ignored me. I&#8217;m really not sure what to do anymore. It&#8217;s either let it go and die a little on the inside everytime someone screams &#8220;LAME!&#8221; while I&#8217;m in the room, or have the entire school turn against me because I&#8217;m trying to make a positive change. The worst part is, my school is an alternative school of about 80 students and our main rule is respect. I&#8217;m having the same problem trying to get my mother to quit saying &#8220;retarded&#8221;, &#8220;idiot&#8221;, &#8220;lame&#8221;, and &#8220;moron&#8221;. When I try to tell her those words are offensive she generally calls me an idiot and tells me to stop correcting her like she&#8217;s a moron. Uphill battle: 2 Me: 0</p>
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		<title>By: softestbullet</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/20/a-brief-psa-on-language/#comment-3078</link>
		<dc:creator>softestbullet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;FWIW, I’m not meaning to imply that it doesn’t take work to change long-held habits. I do think that change pales in comparison to the changes that marginalized people have to make to their lives to accommodate a world that is hostile to their existence.&lt;/em&gt;

That&#039;s a good way to put it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>FWIW, I’m not meaning to imply that it doesn’t take work to change long-held habits. I do think that change pales in comparison to the changes that marginalized people have to make to their lives to accommodate a world that is hostile to their existence.</em></p>
<p>That&#8217;s a good way to put it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaitlyn</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/20/a-brief-psa-on-language/#comment-3067</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaitlyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still refer to my dogs as &quot;crazy&quot; and &quot;nuts&quot; - maybe Mikey&#039;s gnawing on my hand is his way of objecting?

However, I&#039;m trying to erase it from the rest of my speaking and from conversation on the internet - it&#039;s easier in writing, because you can look back and there&#039;s a delete key! (or a mod) It also makes you more creative - you don&#039;t rely on the &quot;crutch&quot; of ableist words - it&#039;s like when an English teacher bans a word from the class or when you have to write a definition in French.

I&#039;m not making fun of people who object to certain words, I think it&#039;s a matter of being polite, being a decent person to abide by their wishes.

What gets me is that my sister REFUSES to do so. I hate people using &quot;gay&quot; as their go-to word for something or someone annoying, or stupid. My mom still says, &quot;You&#039;re dad&#039;s so gay - sorry he&#039;s...&quot;

But Becky... I once talked to her and her friend and asked them to stop. They started calling things &quot;homosexual&quot; instead. If I can barely get my mom to not say gay, I don&#039;t have high hopes for the ableist terms we use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still refer to my dogs as &#8220;crazy&#8221; and &#8220;nuts&#8221; &#8211; maybe Mikey&#8217;s gnawing on my hand is his way of objecting?</p>
<p>However, I&#8217;m trying to erase it from the rest of my speaking and from conversation on the internet &#8211; it&#8217;s easier in writing, because you can look back and there&#8217;s a delete key! (or a mod) It also makes you more creative &#8211; you don&#8217;t rely on the &#8220;crutch&#8221; of ableist words &#8211; it&#8217;s like when an English teacher bans a word from the class or when you have to write a definition in French.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not making fun of people who object to certain words, I think it&#8217;s a matter of being polite, being a decent person to abide by their wishes.</p>
<p>What gets me is that my sister REFUSES to do so. I hate people using &#8220;gay&#8221; as their go-to word for something or someone annoying, or stupid. My mom still says, &#8220;You&#8217;re dad&#8217;s so gay &#8211; sorry he&#8217;s&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>But Becky&#8230; I once talked to her and her friend and asked them to stop. They started calling things &#8220;homosexual&#8221; instead. If I can barely get my mom to not say gay, I don&#8217;t have high hopes for the ableist terms we use.</p>
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		<title>By: amandaw</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/20/a-brief-psa-on-language/#comment-3066</link>
		<dc:creator>amandaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FWIW, I&#039;m not meaning to imply that it doesn&#039;t take work to change long-held habits. I do think that change pales in comparison to the changes that marginalized people have to make to their lives to accommodate a world that is hostile to their existence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW, I&#8217;m not meaning to imply that it doesn&#8217;t take work to change long-held habits. I do think that change pales in comparison to the changes that marginalized people have to make to their lives to accommodate a world that is hostile to their existence.</p>
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