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		<title>By: MaryBeth</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/13/power-and-responsibility/#comment-4207</link>
		<dc:creator>MaryBeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for this! I am conflicted about my responsibility to, for, and with my husband who has Parkinson&#039;s. I struggle daily with these issues. Thanks for your awesome post. Inspiring and realistic.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for this! I am conflicted about my responsibility to, for, and with my husband who has Parkinson&#8217;s. I struggle daily with these issues. Thanks for your awesome post. Inspiring and realistic.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/13/power-and-responsibility/#comment-2864</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see why, Erin.  *nodnod*  I&#039;ve spent a lot of time thinking about it since Amanda, Cam, and Rainbow (over in my DW) have left comments expressing concern about it all.

I&#039;m wanting to revisit the topic, but I haven&#039;t sorted out the best way to that yet.  I&#039;m thinking of asking some other people to guest post on it, because I don&#039;t want it to get lost in comment threads/edits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see why, Erin.  *nodnod*  I&#8217;ve spent a lot of time thinking about it since Amanda, Cam, and Rainbow (over in my DW) have left comments expressing concern about it all.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m wanting to revisit the topic, but I haven&#8217;t sorted out the best way to that yet.  I&#8217;m thinking of asking some other people to guest post on it, because I don&#8217;t want it to get lost in comment threads/edits.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/13/power-and-responsibility/#comment-2862</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post really bothers me, but Amanda and Cam basically wrote what I was thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post really bothers me, but Amanda and Cam basically wrote what I was thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: amandaw</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/13/power-and-responsibility/#comment-2787</link>
		<dc:creator>amandaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... Ann, you have to be kidding me.

Yes, the fact that women dominate care fields is a huge concern.

But to turn that around into a guilting &quot;think about it&quot; for people who need assistance to be able to live the lives they want to?

Do you realize exactly how serious the ramifications of &quot;just do without&quot; &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt;?

Do you think maybe you have a little bit of privilege getting in the way of realizing the power imbalance in this relationship?

No, having a disabled child does not get you out of your abled privilege. Not any more than men having daughters gets them out of their male privilege. Men having mothers, sisters and daughters has not stopped them from beating, raping, rendering helplessly dependent, and often murdering other women, not for the whole of human history. No more, then, does having a disabled child somehow make you more trustworthy or credible in the arena of disability.

I know it might be tough to hear, but consider how tough it is for the disabled people who don&#039;t have your privilege in the first place before complaining about the toughness of having your privilege shown to you bluntly.

Who is the &quot;we&quot; adding to the exploitation of women? Why do you put that responsibility on the shoulders of the PWD who might lose their independence altogether, and who are often living on pathetically insufficient disability subsidies, rather than the direct employers who pay such shitty wages and offer such awful benefits? Or the society that creates a situation such that women are disproportionately represented in care fields and their work so thoroughly devalued?

Maybe the solution isn&#039;t to pull that frankly cruel turnaround you just did on PWD. Maybe the solution is to challenge the ableist power structure that creates this shitty situation in the first place.

It is something to fucking think about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; Ann, you have to be kidding me.</p>
<p>Yes, the fact that women dominate care fields is a huge concern.</p>
<p>But to turn that around into a guilting &#8220;think about it&#8221; for people who need assistance to be able to live the lives they want to?</p>
<p>Do you realize exactly how serious the ramifications of &#8220;just do without&#8221; <i>are</i>?</p>
<p>Do you think maybe you have a little bit of privilege getting in the way of realizing the power imbalance in this relationship?</p>
<p>No, having a disabled child does not get you out of your abled privilege. Not any more than men having daughters gets them out of their male privilege. Men having mothers, sisters and daughters has not stopped them from beating, raping, rendering helplessly dependent, and often murdering other women, not for the whole of human history. No more, then, does having a disabled child somehow make you more trustworthy or credible in the arena of disability.</p>
<p>I know it might be tough to hear, but consider how tough it is for the disabled people who don&#8217;t have your privilege in the first place before complaining about the toughness of having your privilege shown to you bluntly.</p>
<p>Who is the &#8220;we&#8221; adding to the exploitation of women? Why do you put that responsibility on the shoulders of the PWD who might lose their independence altogether, and who are often living on pathetically insufficient disability subsidies, rather than the direct employers who pay such shitty wages and offer such awful benefits? Or the society that creates a situation such that women are disproportionately represented in care fields and their work so thoroughly devalued?</p>
<p>Maybe the solution isn&#8217;t to pull that frankly cruel turnaround you just did on PWD. Maybe the solution is to challenge the ableist power structure that creates this shitty situation in the first place.</p>
<p>It is something to fucking think about.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/13/power-and-responsibility/#comment-2757</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The one thing that makes me think about all this, is the imbalance of genders in the workforce of people who work in these jobs.  Not only does the majority of care fall to women when they do it for their loved ones, by and large, the people providing this care are usually low paid workers with limited education. (I am shocked that someone has someone come into the home to do hygenic stuff and is a nurse, and not a CNA/HHA/PCA.)  It&#039;s similar with daycare.  We may be empowering ourselves by turning care over to someone else (and I do understand, I have a disabled son AND I am a nursing student), but are we also adding to the exploitation of women?  The working conditions can be harsh, and the pay low, and the jobs are often dead end.  It is something to think about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one thing that makes me think about all this, is the imbalance of genders in the workforce of people who work in these jobs.  Not only does the majority of care fall to women when they do it for their loved ones, by and large, the people providing this care are usually low paid workers with limited education. (I am shocked that someone has someone come into the home to do hygenic stuff and is a nurse, and not a CNA/HHA/PCA.)  It&#8217;s similar with daycare.  We may be empowering ourselves by turning care over to someone else (and I do understand, I have a disabled son AND I am a nursing student), but are we also adding to the exploitation of women?  The working conditions can be harsh, and the pay low, and the jobs are often dead end.  It is something to think about.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/13/power-and-responsibility/#comment-2594</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ack.  Cam, as soon as you pointed that out, I can see the problem in what I wrote, but was completely ignorant until you did.

I&#039;m sorry.  That wasn&#039;t what I meant, in terms of people needing care being child-like, but it is totally what I said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ack.  Cam, as soon as you pointed that out, I can see the problem in what I wrote, but was completely ignorant until you did.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry.  That wasn&#8217;t what I meant, in terms of people needing care being child-like, but it is totally what I said.</p>
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		<title>By: Cam</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/13/power-and-responsibility/#comment-2593</link>
		<dc:creator>Cam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It puts me in role as adult, and Don in role of child...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Does this describe the feelings within your marriage, or is a statement on the relationship of care provision and disability in general? It&#039;s hard to challenge such a personalized account filled with many other good points; nevertheless, whenever self care is linked to concepts like &quot;adulthood&quot;, it makes for very uncomfortable reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It puts me in role as adult, and Don in role of child&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Does this describe the feelings within your marriage, or is a statement on the relationship of care provision and disability in general? It&#8217;s hard to challenge such a personalized account filled with many other good points; nevertheless, whenever self care is linked to concepts like &#8220;adulthood&#8221;, it makes for very uncomfortable reading.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Green</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/13/power-and-responsibility/#comment-2570</link>
		<dc:creator>Nancy Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beautiful post. I work as a nurse supervising nurses aides in home care. I see our role as giving respite to families for a few hours. No one can be a 24/7 caretaker without risking their physical and emotional health. Even with help, it&#039;s a huge responsibility. I wish the best to you and your partner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beautiful post. I work as a nurse supervising nurses aides in home care. I see our role as giving respite to families for a few hours. No one can be a 24/7 caretaker without risking their physical and emotional health. Even with help, it&#8217;s a huge responsibility. I wish the best to you and your partner.</p>
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		<title>By: amandaw</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/13/power-and-responsibility/#comment-2569</link>
		<dc:creator>amandaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. The cultural expectation that a partner be a caregiver if their partner has a disability is a huge factor in PWD&#039;s feelings of undesirability in the romantic market and a huge factor in many temporarily abled people&#039;s adverse feelings to partnering romantically with PWD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. The cultural expectation that a partner be a caregiver if their partner has a disability is a huge factor in PWD&#8217;s feelings of undesirability in the romantic market and a huge factor in many temporarily abled people&#8217;s adverse feelings to partnering romantically with PWD.</p>
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		<title>By: amandaw</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/13/power-and-responsibility/#comment-2568</link>
		<dc:creator>amandaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m terrified of what would happen if I ever had to leave my husband. He isn&#039;t caregiving in the typical sense of the word -- but he does more than half the housework even when I&#039;m not working, and his contribution to the finances is what keeps us afloat; I&#039;d never be able to live on what I get even when I&#039;m pushing myself to work a full-time office job. And I know it puts a strain on our relationship -- both the greater amount of household work that he has to carry and the financial troubles we face anytime I am not earning my optimal amount. It does, even if we are still happy and our relationship is strong and healthy right now -- it just does, it strains us, it puts an unnecessary responsibility on him, and it&#039;s not fair to me to be dependent on his happiness in this relationship to have access to that help.

If we were well-off, we might be able to bring in a housekeeper a couple times a month or something. That would be a huge help. But then, if we were well-off we&#039;d be living in a home with a dishwasher (hand-washing the dishes is one of the top 3 most time-consuming chore that neither of us likes having to do, and which is really tough for me to do at all) and floors that don&#039;t get dirty ten seconds after they&#039;re vacuumed, among other things. Our laundry wouldn&#039;t be three flights of stairs down from our door, and I wouldn&#039;t be having to climb two flights of stairs just to get to our door at all.

But we&#039;re not. I grew up in poverty, and he grew up comfortably but not so comfortable that his future was automatically secure for him once he became an adult. And honestly, if we were to ask for help from his family, we&#039;d be in the same boat, but with a different set of people this time. I&#039;d still be dependent on our relationship remaining healthy, and now he&#039;d be dependent on his parents having good will and enough resources to support us... etc...

It&#039;s tough. It&#039;s not fair that so many people are stuck in these positions. And you know what? I AM in a stable relationship, that is strong and healthy right now. That is a huge privilege that I have over many other PWD. And we&#039;re on shaky ground even with that. It isn&#039;t fair, not to anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m terrified of what would happen if I ever had to leave my husband. He isn&#8217;t caregiving in the typical sense of the word &#8212; but he does more than half the housework even when I&#8217;m not working, and his contribution to the finances is what keeps us afloat; I&#8217;d never be able to live on what I get even when I&#8217;m pushing myself to work a full-time office job. And I know it puts a strain on our relationship &#8212; both the greater amount of household work that he has to carry and the financial troubles we face anytime I am not earning my optimal amount. It does, even if we are still happy and our relationship is strong and healthy right now &#8212; it just does, it strains us, it puts an unnecessary responsibility on him, and it&#8217;s not fair to me to be dependent on his happiness in this relationship to have access to that help.</p>
<p>If we were well-off, we might be able to bring in a housekeeper a couple times a month or something. That would be a huge help. But then, if we were well-off we&#8217;d be living in a home with a dishwasher (hand-washing the dishes is one of the top 3 most time-consuming chore that neither of us likes having to do, and which is really tough for me to do at all) and floors that don&#8217;t get dirty ten seconds after they&#8217;re vacuumed, among other things. Our laundry wouldn&#8217;t be three flights of stairs down from our door, and I wouldn&#8217;t be having to climb two flights of stairs just to get to our door at all.</p>
<p>But we&#8217;re not. I grew up in poverty, and he grew up comfortably but not so comfortable that his future was automatically secure for him once he became an adult. And honestly, if we were to ask for help from his family, we&#8217;d be in the same boat, but with a different set of people this time. I&#8217;d still be dependent on our relationship remaining healthy, and now he&#8217;d be dependent on his parents having good will and enough resources to support us&#8230; etc&#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s tough. It&#8217;s not fair that so many people are stuck in these positions. And you know what? I AM in a stable relationship, that is strong and healthy right now. That is a huge privilege that I have over many other PWD. And we&#8217;re on shaky ground even with that. It isn&#8217;t fair, not to anyone.</p>
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