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	<title>Comments on: Guest Post: Davros, Daleks, and Disability</title>
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		<title>By: Gnatalby</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/10/guest-post-davros-daleks-and-disability/#comment-2417</link>
		<dc:creator>Gnatalby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is so interesting.

What I&#039;m always struck by is how tech-phobic sci fi is. It seems to me that the audience for sci-fi is generally the computer inclined, so why does it tend to have the message that the vacuum is three seconds away from rising up to enslave you? (And in the case of cybermen and daleks, destroy or enslave you out of automation, not personal malice).

It&#039;s always struck me as being very backward looking, and you&#039;ve awakened me to how ableist it is, too. The only virtuous person is one who relies on tech for absolutely-- a hearing aid, a wheelchair, a voicebox-- these are signs of moral not physical decay.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is so interesting.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m always struck by is how tech-phobic sci fi is. It seems to me that the audience for sci-fi is generally the computer inclined, so why does it tend to have the message that the vacuum is three seconds away from rising up to enslave you? (And in the case of cybermen and daleks, destroy or enslave you out of automation, not personal malice).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s always struck me as being very backward looking, and you&#8217;ve awakened me to how ableist it is, too. The only virtuous person is one who relies on tech for absolutely&#8211; a hearing aid, a wheelchair, a voicebox&#8211; these are signs of moral not physical decay.<br />
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		<title>By: CapriUni</title>
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		<dc:creator>CapriUni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peanutbutter:  I came across it in the Harris Communications online catalog -- bookhunting (they have the same books on Deaf culture as Amazon and B&amp;N, but at a much lower price -- specifically, &lt;i&gt;Signing the body poetic&lt;/i&gt; [I&#039;m not deaf, just a lit. geek]), and what made me scratch my head was the premise that America became stronger when Deaf culture became the majority culture...  and I wondered if, once it&#039;s in the majority, Deaf culture would have the same strengths it does now...  But I&#039;d forgive weaknesses in premises, if it&#039;s a riproaring page-turner. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peanutbutter:  I came across it in the Harris Communications online catalog &#8212; bookhunting (they have the same books on Deaf culture as Amazon and B&amp;N, but at a much lower price &#8212; specifically, <i>Signing the body poetic</i> [I'm not deaf, just a lit. geek]), and what made me scratch my head was the premise that America became stronger when Deaf culture became the majority culture&#8230;  and I wondered if, once it&#8217;s in the majority, Deaf culture would have the same strengths it does now&#8230;  But I&#8217;d forgive weaknesses in premises, if it&#8217;s a riproaring page-turner. <img src='http://disabledfeminists.com/fwd/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: peanutbutter</title>
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		<dc:creator>peanutbutter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CapriUni: I thought the story overall was interesting.  It&#039;s a little rough around the edges (a first book) I&#039;ll be the first to say, and bits struck me as a little unrealistic (but made sense in the context of the points he wanted to make).  I&#039;d go for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CapriUni: I thought the story overall was interesting.  It&#8217;s a little rough around the edges (a first book) I&#8217;ll be the first to say, and bits struck me as a little unrealistic (but made sense in the context of the points he wanted to make).  I&#8217;d go for it.</p>
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		<title>By: calixti</title>
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		<dc:creator>calixti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You just articulated what&#039;s been bugging me about the Daleks and Cybermen for a while. Thank you.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You just articulated what&#8217;s been bugging me about the Daleks and Cybermen for a while. Thank you.<br />
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		<title>By: CapriUni</title>
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		<dc:creator>CapriUni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PeanutButter:  I&#039;ve actually been contemplating reading &lt;i&gt;Mindfield&lt;/i&gt;; is it any good?

Marge:  Yeah, I know... *Sigh* I remember the old days, back on rec.arts.drwho, in between the McCoy vs. Pertwee flamewars, there were occassional discussions of: &quot;Why can&#039;t a future Doctor be a wheelchair-user, or survive with some other life-long injury without regenerating? After all, the TARDIS interior has no stairs...&quot; 

(But in the NuWho it does... sadface)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PeanutButter:  I&#8217;ve actually been contemplating reading <i>Mindfield</i>; is it any good?</p>
<p>Marge:  Yeah, I know&#8230; *Sigh* I remember the old days, back on rec.arts.drwho, in between the McCoy vs. Pertwee flamewars, there were occassional discussions of: &#8220;Why can&#8217;t a future Doctor be a wheelchair-user, or survive with some other life-long injury without regenerating? After all, the TARDIS interior has no stairs&#8230;&#8221; </p>
<p>(But in the NuWho it does&#8230; sadface)</p>
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		<title>By: Marge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your mention of the pre-Davros Daleks brings up a constant issue with Doctor Who - in abelism, sexism, racism; that it goes backwards as often as it goes forwards. You can&#039;t look at NuWho and say that&#039;s it&#039;s really much (any?) better than, say, Troughton-era in those areas. Which for someone who loves DW is bloody depressing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your mention of the pre-Davros Daleks brings up a constant issue with Doctor Who &#8211; in abelism, sexism, racism; that it goes backwards as often as it goes forwards. You can&#8217;t look at NuWho and say that&#8217;s it&#8217;s really much (any?) better than, say, Troughton-era in those areas. Which for someone who loves DW is bloody depressing.</p>
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		<title>By: peanutbutter</title>
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		<dc:creator>peanutbutter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re &quot;they will bring us down to their level,&quot; some of us deafies have written novels describing just that* :twisted:

*Mindfield, by John Egbert</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re &#8220;they will bring us down to their level,&#8221; some of us deafies have written novels describing just that* <img src='http://disabledfeminists.com/fwd/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif' alt=':twisted:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>*Mindfield, by John Egbert</p>
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