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		<title>By: Solitarybird</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/05/and-if-this-keeps-up-there-wont-be-any/#comment-15284</link>
		<dc:creator>Solitarybird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2010 09:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amusingly enough, I&#039;ve only ever seen the “kind-hearted black man with some form of extra-sensory perception as a result of his blindness”.

... the old man in the live action movie Unleashed/Danny the Dog and the blind soul reaper character in the Japanese anime/manga series Bleach. No miracle cure there.

Well, Tousen Kaname is kind-hearted in his own messed-up way even after he&#039;s revealed to be... well, you know. He takes care of an Arrancar (despite the fact that they&#039;re essentially heartless creatures) that behaves like a mostly non-verbal mentally disabled child.

He only acts entirely unlike himself when he briefly gains eyesight and is too caught up in his newfound ability to dodge attacks he easily could have fielded blind. A nice twist in the manga, but made a bit inaulting in the anime where characters felt the need to repeat over and over that he &quot;saw so much more when he was blind.&quot;

(Tousen is my favourite character, really. Of course, there are SOME stereotypical feminine aspects to his character, but he&#039;s no Yumichika. For example, he loves cooking and makes tea on a regular basis... but he&#039;s otherwise a very stoic and calm (aside from his justice rants), no-nonsense character.)

The only other blind character I know is an animated bat in the Canadian cartoon Silverwing.

Was the actor who played the wheelchair-using boy in Malcom in The Middle disabled? I don&#039;t remember any miracle cure plots there.

... those are really the only characters I know of who are disabled, bar one-shot characters like Gabriella in The Little Mermaid series and the old blind black (I think) guy in Gargoyles. Yikes.

Hearing there are even less instances of actually disabled people getting those roles is just depressing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amusingly enough, I&#8217;ve only ever seen the “kind-hearted black man with some form of extra-sensory perception as a result of his blindness”.</p>
<p>&#8230; the old man in the live action movie Unleashed/Danny the Dog and the blind soul reaper character in the Japanese anime/manga series Bleach. No miracle cure there.</p>
<p>Well, Tousen Kaname is kind-hearted in his own messed-up way even after he&#8217;s revealed to be&#8230; well, you know. He takes care of an Arrancar (despite the fact that they&#8217;re essentially heartless creatures) that behaves like a mostly non-verbal mentally disabled child.</p>
<p>He only acts entirely unlike himself when he briefly gains eyesight and is too caught up in his newfound ability to dodge attacks he easily could have fielded blind. A nice twist in the manga, but made a bit inaulting in the anime where characters felt the need to repeat over and over that he &#8220;saw so much more when he was blind.&#8221;</p>
<p>(Tousen is my favourite character, really. Of course, there are SOME stereotypical feminine aspects to his character, but he&#8217;s no Yumichika. For example, he loves cooking and makes tea on a regular basis&#8230; but he&#8217;s otherwise a very stoic and calm (aside from his justice rants), no-nonsense character.)</p>
<p>The only other blind character I know is an animated bat in the Canadian cartoon Silverwing.</p>
<p>Was the actor who played the wheelchair-using boy in Malcom in The Middle disabled? I don&#8217;t remember any miracle cure plots there.</p>
<p>&#8230; those are really the only characters I know of who are disabled, bar one-shot characters like Gabriella in The Little Mermaid series and the old blind black (I think) guy in Gargoyles. Yikes.</p>
<p>Hearing there are even less instances of actually disabled people getting those roles is just depressing.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/05/and-if-this-keeps-up-there-wont-be-any/#comment-10944</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 00:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I&#039;m going to nip this bit of the conversational bud off here.  Lucy isn&#039;t really the topic under discussion - her comments, and the &lt;em&gt;many&lt;/em&gt; similar drive-by comments this post gets on a regular basis - is.

There&#039;s a couple of comments in mod on this post right now that I&#039;m going to have to look at once I&#039;ve gotten some sleep.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I&#8217;m going to nip this bit of the conversational bud off here.  Lucy isn&#8217;t really the topic under discussion &#8211; her comments, and the <em>many</em> similar drive-by comments this post gets on a regular basis &#8211; is.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a couple of comments in mod on this post right now that I&#8217;m going to have to look at once I&#8217;ve gotten some sleep.</p>
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		<title>By: Cicee</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/05/and-if-this-keeps-up-there-wont-be-any/#comment-10930</link>
		<dc:creator>Cicee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 11:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@DeviantE - I don&#039;t think Lucy is willfully ignorant, rather brought up not to see the privilege inherent in being CND (so stealing that term from now on!), and the effect that this might have had on forming a viewpoint about issues like this. I&#039;m not saying &#039;Oh poor little privileged folks, they have it so hard when they finally have to wake up and smell the coffee&#039;, but I think it&#039;s one of those times in life where you have to dislike the behaviour but not the person underneath. I know it&#039;s so, so hard when you are offended and hurt, and worn out by putting up with the same rubbish over and over again, but we should all really try not to make assumptions about anyone&#039;s personal character or motivations. Coz it is a bit of a shock to the system realising that you&#039;ve been being a giant tosser by not waking up sooner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@DeviantE &#8211; I don&#8217;t think Lucy is willfully ignorant, rather brought up not to see the privilege inherent in being CND (so stealing that term from now on!), and the effect that this might have had on forming a viewpoint about issues like this. I&#8217;m not saying &#8216;Oh poor little privileged folks, they have it so hard when they finally have to wake up and smell the coffee&#8217;, but I think it&#8217;s one of those times in life where you have to dislike the behaviour but not the person underneath. I know it&#8217;s so, so hard when you are offended and hurt, and worn out by putting up with the same rubbish over and over again, but we should all really try not to make assumptions about anyone&#8217;s personal character or motivations. Coz it is a bit of a shock to the system realising that you&#8217;ve been being a giant tosser by not waking up sooner.</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 23:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One point Lucy made was about parts being written &quot;for&quot; people with specific physical characteristics. I&#039;d like to question the assumption that this is the best way to do things. Even as far back as plays at primary school the casting was always flexible: the teachers switched the sex of two of the characters without changing the dynamics between them. Why not write parts for *people*, and fill them with actors of all races, sexes, sexualities, disabilities etc? We don&#039;t have any trouble accepting actors without superpowers playing characters with superpowers ;)

The plot doesn&#039;t have to revolve around &quot;the disabled character(s)&quot; or &quot;the skinny white man and woman who are going to fall in love as long as her fat friend and his black friend advise them well&quot;. Surely the plot is just the story that unfolds around the characters. I mean obviously some movies/tv series are going to be about a particular group of people, and I wouldn&#039;t want to take that away from those groups. But couldn&#039;t the blockbusters mix it up a bit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One point Lucy made was about parts being written &#8220;for&#8221; people with specific physical characteristics. I&#8217;d like to question the assumption that this is the best way to do things. Even as far back as plays at primary school the casting was always flexible: the teachers switched the sex of two of the characters without changing the dynamics between them. Why not write parts for *people*, and fill them with actors of all races, sexes, sexualities, disabilities etc? We don&#8217;t have any trouble accepting actors without superpowers playing characters with superpowers <img src='http://disabledfeminists.com/fwd/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The plot doesn&#8217;t have to revolve around &#8220;the disabled character(s)&#8221; or &#8220;the skinny white man and woman who are going to fall in love as long as her fat friend and his black friend advise them well&#8221;. Surely the plot is just the story that unfolds around the characters. I mean obviously some movies/tv series are going to be about a particular group of people, and I wouldn&#8217;t want to take that away from those groups. But couldn&#8217;t the blockbusters mix it up a bit?</p>
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		<title>By: TheDeviantE</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/05/and-if-this-keeps-up-there-wont-be-any/#comment-10884</link>
		<dc:creator>TheDeviantE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 05:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Anna, that makes sense.  I see now what you were responding to in Lucy&#039;s second comment.  Honestly I had missed the a good bit of her second comment because while reading it I just keep finding my mind going blank with anger at the willful ignorance and continuing refusal to acknowledge her own privilege and her therefore limited understanding of the world.  

On a related topic to the post, I wanted to point out my continuing happiness from when I learned that the actor who plays the coroner on CSI (the original) indeed is disabled and that they hadn&#039;t even written the part specifically for a cane user, but that they&#039;d decided &quot;oh, hey, he&#039;s good&quot; and realized it wouldn&#039;t be a big deal if for once a part that wasn&#039;t EXPLICITLY for a person with disabilities nevertheless went to someone with disabilities.  And I know that I&#039;ve read somewhere that he often will point out to them how they have a shot set up that his character would have trouble navigating.  This all makes me happy, but it makes me sad that it seems like this story is just about the only positive one that I have on the topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Anna, that makes sense.  I see now what you were responding to in Lucy&#8217;s second comment.  Honestly I had missed the a good bit of her second comment because while reading it I just keep finding my mind going blank with anger at the willful ignorance and continuing refusal to acknowledge her own privilege and her therefore limited understanding of the world.  </p>
<p>On a related topic to the post, I wanted to point out my continuing happiness from when I learned that the actor who plays the coroner on CSI (the original) indeed is disabled and that they hadn&#8217;t even written the part specifically for a cane user, but that they&#8217;d decided &#8220;oh, hey, he&#8217;s good&#8221; and realized it wouldn&#8217;t be a big deal if for once a part that wasn&#8217;t EXPLICITLY for a person with disabilities nevertheless went to someone with disabilities.  And I know that I&#8217;ve read somewhere that he often will point out to them how they have a shot set up that his character would have trouble navigating.  This all makes me happy, but it makes me sad that it seems like this story is just about the only positive one that I have on the topic.</p>
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		<title>By: s.e. smith</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/05/and-if-this-keeps-up-there-wont-be-any/#comment-10867</link>
		<dc:creator>s.e. smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 01:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just discovered (via &lt;a href=&quot;http://access-fandom.dreamwidth.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;access_fandom&lt;/a&gt;) a link to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.racebending.com/v3/interviews/larry-n-sapp-independent-filmmaker-abilities-united/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;an interview with Larry N. Sapp&lt;/a&gt;, a producer who started a company which focuses on working with actors with disabilities. It seems &lt;em&gt;highly relevant&lt;/em&gt; to this thread, so I thought I&#039;d drop a link. There&#039;s lots of good stuff, but here&#039;s a quick quote:

&lt;blockquote&gt;With this kind of representation, or rather lack of representation, a kid, a teenager, a college student, or even an adult with a disAbility have no reason to dream of being an actor, let alone to become a star in Hollywood. These producers and entertainment makers are the very reason they do not have more options–by never giving those with a disAbility a chance, an opportunity to express their talent, expand and grow their skills as actors. &lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just discovered (via <a href="http://access-fandom.dreamwidth.org/" rel="nofollow">access_fandom</a>) a link to <a href="http://www.racebending.com/v3/interviews/larry-n-sapp-independent-filmmaker-abilities-united/" rel="nofollow">an interview with Larry N. Sapp</a>, a producer who started a company which focuses on working with actors with disabilities. It seems <em>highly relevant</em> to this thread, so I thought I&#8217;d drop a link. There&#8217;s lots of good stuff, but here&#8217;s a quick quote:</p>
<blockquote><p>With this kind of representation, or rather lack of representation, a kid, a teenager, a college student, or even an adult with a disAbility have no reason to dream of being an actor, let alone to become a star in Hollywood. These producers and entertainment makers are the very reason they do not have more options–by never giving those with a disAbility a chance, an opportunity to express their talent, expand and grow their skills as actors. </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/05/and-if-this-keeps-up-there-wont-be-any/#comment-10843</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 18:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m really, really amazed at the quality of comments here, and I&#039;d like to expand on one point: s.e. smith&#039;s point that &quot;As for Dr. House, well, of course you like him. He’s the House you know.&quot; How is it possible to determine that Hugh Laurie was &quot;born to play&quot; House? Sure, he was born to play this House. (Maybe.) But House could be House with other character nuances, and/or someone who is disabled could play House with the character nuances Laurie brings to the role or at least similar ones. It&#039;s impossible to tell, and we&#039;ll never know, sadly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really, really amazed at the quality of comments here, and I&#8217;d like to expand on one point: s.e. smith&#8217;s point that &#8220;As for Dr. House, well, of course you like him. He’s the House you know.&#8221; How is it possible to determine that Hugh Laurie was &#8220;born to play&#8221; House? Sure, he was born to play this House. (Maybe.) But House could be House with other character nuances, and/or someone who is disabled could play House with the character nuances Laurie brings to the role or at least similar ones. It&#8217;s impossible to tell, and we&#8217;ll never know, sadly.</p>
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		<title>By: s.e. smith</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/05/and-if-this-keeps-up-there-wont-be-any/#comment-10835</link>
		<dc:creator>s.e. smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 15:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Cicee! It&#039;s a phrase that&#039;s a bit of a pet peeve of mine, for obvious reasons, and I certainly understand why you wanted to mirror her language.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Cicee! It&#8217;s a phrase that&#8217;s a bit of a pet peeve of mine, for obvious reasons, and I certainly understand why you wanted to mirror her language.</p>
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		<title>By: Cicee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cicee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 14:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My apologies S.E. I didn&#039;t mean to offend, I thought that parroting the language in Lucy&#039;s second post would respond more directly to the content of her message, and draw some parallels. But I clearly did it without thinking about the context of that language, and how it might upset you. Consider it retracted. I hope my point is still legible without slurs in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My apologies S.E. I didn&#8217;t mean to offend, I thought that parroting the language in Lucy&#8217;s second post would respond more directly to the content of her message, and draw some parallels. But I clearly did it without thinking about the context of that language, and how it might upset you. Consider it retracted. I hope my point is still legible without slurs in it.</p>
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		<title>By: s.e. smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>s.e. smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 13:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Psst...as one of the severely myopic contributors at FWD, I would &lt;em&gt;love&lt;/em&gt; it if we could come up with a phrase other than &#039;short-sighted&#039; to describe &#039;not thinking outside your comfort zone&#039; or &#039;unwilling to be challenged&#039; or &#039;not forward-thinking.&#039; I&#039;m short-sighted and fully capable of considering oppressions I don&#039;t experience!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Psst&#8230;as one of the severely myopic contributors at FWD, I would <em>love</em> it if we could come up with a phrase other than &#8216;short-sighted&#8217; to describe &#8216;not thinking outside your comfort zone&#8217; or &#8216;unwilling to be challenged&#8217; or &#8216;not forward-thinking.&#8217; I&#8217;m short-sighted and fully capable of considering oppressions I don&#8217;t experience!</p>
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