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		<title>By: lauredhel</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/03/quiz-representations-of-disabled-bodies-in-logos/#comment-1780</link>
		<dc:creator>lauredhel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 03:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amanda: Good point!

I&#039;ve been trying to figure out what&#039;s going on in the Alamonte Springs logo, on the far right. Is that an ear-trumpet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amanda: Good point!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been trying to figure out what&#8217;s going on in the Alamonte Springs logo, on the far right. Is that an ear-trumpet?</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/03/quiz-representations-of-disabled-bodies-in-logos/#comment-1710</link>
		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the things I noticed (and I seriously doubt it&#039;s the only answer), is that even among the people in wheelchairs, they are all sitting upright in their chairs (nobody&#039;s using tilt or recline, nobody has to elevate their legs), and none of them have the unusual postures that often come with the sort of body that ends up in a chair.  Nobody has a head that pulls to the side or pushes forward, unusual spinal curvature, unusual proportions, obvious physical weakness, or particularly unusual body postures in general.  Nobody&#039;s lying flat.  They all look like the sort of gimp who can pass for a non-disabled person who just happens to be sitting.

It&#039;s hard to say whether they represent people with psych or developmental conditions, or &quot;invisible&quot; (see other posts for problems with that word) illnesses, because many of those could easily be the stick figures that &quot;look normal&quot;.
.-= Amanda´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=583&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Blueberries&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the things I noticed (and I seriously doubt it&#8217;s the only answer), is that even among the people in wheelchairs, they are all sitting upright in their chairs (nobody&#8217;s using tilt or recline, nobody has to elevate their legs), and none of them have the unusual postures that often come with the sort of body that ends up in a chair.  Nobody has a head that pulls to the side or pushes forward, unusual spinal curvature, unusual proportions, obvious physical weakness, or particularly unusual body postures in general.  Nobody&#8217;s lying flat.  They all look like the sort of gimp who can pass for a non-disabled person who just happens to be sitting.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to say whether they represent people with psych or developmental conditions, or &#8220;invisible&#8221; (see other posts for problems with that word) illnesses, because many of those could easily be the stick figures that &#8220;look normal&#8221;.<br />
.-= Amanda´s last blog ..<a href="http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=583" rel="nofollow">Blueberries</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: lauredhel</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/03/quiz-representations-of-disabled-bodies-in-logos/#comment-1682</link>
		<dc:creator>lauredhel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mel and The White Lady - spot on, this is what I was noticing. 

In the previous post, &lt;a href=&quot;http://viv.id.au/blog/20090403.4398/quiz-representations-of-disabled-bodies-in-logos/#comment-128770&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Sunless Nick&lt;/a&gt; was the first to pick up on what I was noticing, which is that none of the bodies are in a bed or otherwise horizontal. All are sitting or standing. 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://viv.id.au/blog/20090403.4398/quiz-representations-of-disabled-bodies-in-logos/#comment-128904&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Anna elaborated&lt;/a&gt; beautifully:

&lt;blockquote&gt; I don’t think she’s suggesting that every logo should do this - she’s pointing out that none of them do.

So, of folks who have the most barriers to self-advocacy and visibility, the ones who are the most likely to be abused (the rates of sexual abuse in long-term care centers are staggering), the ones who are least likely to be known by the public, and the ones who will have the most difficulty in getting the attention of politicians, advocates, and the general public are the ones who are not included in any of these logos.&lt;/blockquote&gt;


Logos are, of necessity, shorthand. Nobody expects every single type of body to be present in every single type of logo. However, when you look at a corpus of logos, and one particular type of body is never, ever represented, there&#039;s something going on. These logos show evidence of trying to be inclusive. They depict people in wheelchairs, people standing, people of various sizes and ages, people with crutches and braces and canes, people of multiple genders and races and religions - but the one thing they don&#039;t show is people who have to lie down all the time. 

When those people are among the most disadvantaged, the most discriminated against, the most abused, the most isolated, and find it the most difficult to access appropriate, adequate care - and they are ignored by the very organisations claiming to advocate for them - there is a problem. 

For more information, check out &lt;a href=&quot;http://fourwallsnolimits.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Four Walls No Limits: Surviving and thriving while confined to bed, homebound, or otherwise stuck in one place&lt;/a&gt;.


.-= lauredhel´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://hoydenabouttown.com/20091104.6930/public-transport-authority-takes-crip-blaming-to-a-new-level/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Public Transport Authority takes crip-blaming to a new level&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mel and The White Lady &#8211; spot on, this is what I was noticing. </p>
<p>In the previous post, <a href="http://viv.id.au/blog/20090403.4398/quiz-representations-of-disabled-bodies-in-logos/#comment-128770" rel="nofollow"> Sunless Nick</a> was the first to pick up on what I was noticing, which is that none of the bodies are in a bed or otherwise horizontal. All are sitting or standing. </p>
<p><a href="http://viv.id.au/blog/20090403.4398/quiz-representations-of-disabled-bodies-in-logos/#comment-128904" rel="nofollow">Anna elaborated</a> beautifully:</p>
<blockquote><p> I don’t think she’s suggesting that every logo should do this &#8211; she’s pointing out that none of them do.</p>
<p>So, of folks who have the most barriers to self-advocacy and visibility, the ones who are the most likely to be abused (the rates of sexual abuse in long-term care centers are staggering), the ones who are least likely to be known by the public, and the ones who will have the most difficulty in getting the attention of politicians, advocates, and the general public are the ones who are not included in any of these logos.</p></blockquote>
<p>Logos are, of necessity, shorthand. Nobody expects every single type of body to be present in every single type of logo. However, when you look at a corpus of logos, and one particular type of body is never, ever represented, there&#8217;s something going on. These logos show evidence of trying to be inclusive. They depict people in wheelchairs, people standing, people of various sizes and ages, people with crutches and braces and canes, people of multiple genders and races and religions &#8211; but the one thing they don&#8217;t show is people who have to lie down all the time. </p>
<p>When those people are among the most disadvantaged, the most discriminated against, the most abused, the most isolated, and find it the most difficult to access appropriate, adequate care &#8211; and they are ignored by the very organisations claiming to advocate for them &#8211; there is a problem. </p>
<p>For more information, check out <a href="http://fourwallsnolimits.net/" rel="nofollow">Four Walls No Limits: Surviving and thriving while confined to bed, homebound, or otherwise stuck in one place</a>.</p>
<p>.-= lauredhel´s last blog ..<a href="http://hoydenabouttown.com/20091104.6930/public-transport-authority-takes-crip-blaming-to-a-new-level/" rel="nofollow">Public Transport Authority takes crip-blaming to a new level</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is also nobody whose body has proportions that are non-typical. They all are of average hight for their age and their limbs (except for the amputated leg) all have average length.

(are these the correct descriptions? If not, what are better words?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is also nobody whose body has proportions that are non-typical. They all are of average hight for their age and their limbs (except for the amputated leg) all have average length.</p>
<p>(are these the correct descriptions? If not, what are better words?)</p>
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		<title>By: Kaz</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/03/quiz-representations-of-disabled-bodies-in-logos/#comment-1669</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apart from a missing leg in one or two picture and what might be a little person, I&#039;m not seeing much in the way of obvious physical atypicality at all. I don&#039;t know how much you could portray via stick figures, but surely more than this?
.-= Kaz´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://kaz.dreamwidth.org/210262.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;fuck you ubuntu so very much&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apart from a missing leg in one or two picture and what might be a little person, I&#8217;m not seeing much in the way of obvious physical atypicality at all. I don&#8217;t know how much you could portray via stick figures, but surely more than this?<br />
.-= Kaz´s last blog ..<a href="http://kaz.dreamwidth.org/210262.html" rel="nofollow">fuck you ubuntu so very much</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: codeman38</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/03/quiz-representations-of-disabled-bodies-in-logos/#comment-1668</link>
		<dc:creator>codeman38</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jesse The K: Ubuntu uses the same icon as Apple in its latest version, for what it&#039;s worth.

Personally, I rather like the icon used for accessibility in Windows Vista and Windows 7 (ironic, as I mainly work on Mac OS and Linux!). It&#039;s in the same general &lt;em&gt;shape&lt;/em&gt; as the familiar wheelchair figure, thus making it instantly recognizable, but it actually depicts two diverging paths leading to the same destination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jesse The K: Ubuntu uses the same icon as Apple in its latest version, for what it&#8217;s worth.</p>
<p>Personally, I rather like the icon used for accessibility in Windows Vista and Windows 7 (ironic, as I mainly work on Mac OS and Linux!). It&#8217;s in the same general <em>shape</em> as the familiar wheelchair figure, thus making it instantly recognizable, but it actually depicts two diverging paths leading to the same destination.</p>
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		<title>By: sanabituranima</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/03/quiz-representations-of-disabled-bodies-in-logos/#comment-1665</link>
		<dc:creator>sanabituranima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point - no atypical faces as far as I can see.
.-= sanabituranima´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://sanabituranima.wordpress.com/2009/11/03/how-dare-they/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;How *dare* they?&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point &#8211; no atypical faces as far as I can see.<br />
.-= sanabituranima´s last blog ..<a href="http://sanabituranima.wordpress.com/2009/11/03/how-dare-they/" rel="nofollow">How *dare* they?</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse the K</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/03/quiz-representations-of-disabled-bodies-in-logos/#comment-1656</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse the K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s nobody with facial differences. Maybe I&#039;m missing an ambiguous image, but I don&#039;t see anyone using augmentative communication (= alphabet board, talking computer) or anyone using a single-switch interface (blink, puff-n-sip, big toe or other constrained motion control for wheelchair, speech &amp;c).

Matthew @10, unfortunately the ADA design guidelines mandated that the white-on-blue stick figure be used to label &quot;here&#039;s an accessible [-- fill in the blank --]&quot; (The ADA also provides symbols for &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.graphicartistsguild.org/resources/disability-access-symbols/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Assitive technology related to Deafness &amp; Blindness&lt;/a&gt;.)

Apple Computer&#039;s icon for its system access utility is an improvement, sorta: a gender-neutral stick figure, arms outstretched, centered in a bright blue circle.

Having a standardized symbol for access is a wonderful thing &lt;b&gt;when it&#039;s true&lt;/b&gt;.
.-= Jesse the K´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://jesse-the-k.dreamwidth.org/55178.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;PSA: Don&#039;t Tug the Magsafe from your Macbook&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s nobody with facial differences. Maybe I&#8217;m missing an ambiguous image, but I don&#8217;t see anyone using augmentative communication (= alphabet board, talking computer) or anyone using a single-switch interface (blink, puff-n-sip, big toe or other constrained motion control for wheelchair, speech &amp;c).</p>
<p>Matthew @10, unfortunately the ADA design guidelines mandated that the white-on-blue stick figure be used to label &#8220;here&#8217;s an accessible [-- fill in the blank --]&#8221; (The ADA also provides symbols for <a href="http://www.graphicartistsguild.org/resources/disability-access-symbols/" rel="nofollow">Assitive technology related to Deafness &amp; Blindness</a>.)</p>
<p>Apple Computer&#8217;s icon for its system access utility is an improvement, sorta: a gender-neutral stick figure, arms outstretched, centered in a bright blue circle.</p>
<p>Having a standardized symbol for access is a wonderful thing <b>when it&#8217;s true</b>.<br />
.-= Jesse the K´s last blog ..<a href="http://jesse-the-k.dreamwidth.org/55178.html" rel="nofollow">PSA: Don&#8217;t Tug the Magsafe from your Macbook</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: The White Lady</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/03/quiz-representations-of-disabled-bodies-in-logos/#comment-1648</link>
		<dc:creator>The White Lady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everybody there is either able to move, in one way or another.  There&#039;s nobody represented who is in a bed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everybody there is either able to move, in one way or another.  There&#8217;s nobody represented who is in a bed.</p>
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		<title>By: sanabituranima</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/03/quiz-representations-of-disabled-bodies-in-logos/#comment-1646</link>
		<dc:creator>sanabituranima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah - I had to cheat.
.-= sanabituranima´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://sanabituranima.wordpress.com/2009/11/03/getting-high/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Getting High&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah &#8211; I had to cheat.<br />
.-= sanabituranima´s last blog ..<a href="http://sanabituranima.wordpress.com/2009/11/03/getting-high/" rel="nofollow">Getting High</a> =-.</p>
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