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		<title>By: FairestCat</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/03/dear-imprudence-how-not-to-give-advice/#comment-4019</link>
		<dc:creator>FairestCat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;There’s another problem with this column; the pseudonym used by the writer. “Paranoid” is ableist language.&lt;/em&gt;

Sorry to be incredibly out of date replying to this, I&#039;ve found myself chewing over this sentence rather a lot, and I&#039;m really conflicted about it.

I&#039;ll say up front, I struggle daily with paranoia. In the clinical description of the word.  It goes hand in hand with my depression and anxiety issues and plays a big part in exacerbating both of those.

And while on the one hand I roll my eyes a little when people use the word incorrectly, I&#039;m also incredibly concerned about feeling like I need to &quot;out&quot; myself and/or defend my word usage when talking about my own condition. I want to be able to talk about a situation or action that is triggering that constantly underlying conviction that everyone secretly hates me without having to explicitly justify my right to use the word. 

The writer of this letter signs themself as &quot;Paranoid&quot;, and I&#039;m not sure how we can judge just based on this description of one small segment of their life whether or not they have the &quot;right&quot; to do so. I could totally see the described situation feeding into my own paranoia and depression, which is not in any way meant to justify either the writer&#039;s actions toward their MIL or Prudie&#039;s frankly appalling advice just that I feel like paranoid is one of those words where it&#039;s really hard to tell from the outside how genuinely accurate a description it is when looking at only one data point.  Paranoid as a description of someone else, particularly when used as a way to dismiss, mock or belittle their opinions, yeah, ableist as hell.  Paranoid as a description of self? How am I, as an outsider to that person&#039;s head and life, to know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>There’s another problem with this column; the pseudonym used by the writer. “Paranoid” is ableist language.</em></p>
<p>Sorry to be incredibly out of date replying to this, I&#8217;ve found myself chewing over this sentence rather a lot, and I&#8217;m really conflicted about it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll say up front, I struggle daily with paranoia. In the clinical description of the word.  It goes hand in hand with my depression and anxiety issues and plays a big part in exacerbating both of those.</p>
<p>And while on the one hand I roll my eyes a little when people use the word incorrectly, I&#8217;m also incredibly concerned about feeling like I need to &#8220;out&#8221; myself and/or defend my word usage when talking about my own condition. I want to be able to talk about a situation or action that is triggering that constantly underlying conviction that everyone secretly hates me without having to explicitly justify my right to use the word. </p>
<p>The writer of this letter signs themself as &#8220;Paranoid&#8221;, and I&#8217;m not sure how we can judge just based on this description of one small segment of their life whether or not they have the &#8220;right&#8221; to do so. I could totally see the described situation feeding into my own paranoia and depression, which is not in any way meant to justify either the writer&#8217;s actions toward their MIL or Prudie&#8217;s frankly appalling advice just that I feel like paranoid is one of those words where it&#8217;s really hard to tell from the outside how genuinely accurate a description it is when looking at only one data point.  Paranoid as a description of someone else, particularly when used as a way to dismiss, mock or belittle their opinions, yeah, ableist as hell.  Paranoid as a description of self? How am I, as an outsider to that person&#8217;s head and life, to know?</p>
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		<title>By: MomTFH</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/03/dear-imprudence-how-not-to-give-advice/#comment-2347</link>
		<dc:creator>MomTFH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this is just an anecdote, but my father used to do this ALL the time when I was growing up. He was an &quot;older&quot; father who had his first child in his 50s, but he was cognitively very sharp. After his neurological issue (a severe stroke that left him mostly hemiplegic) he was no longer able to steal from the bins.

Being able to steal candy from bulk bins (and embarrass people at the store who are related to you and shop with you) has nothing to do with neurological impairment or the need for a work up. Or the need to threaten someone with being housebound.
.-= MomTFH´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://momstinfoilhat.wordpress.com/2009/11/06/im-so-stoked/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I’m so stoked!&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is just an anecdote, but my father used to do this ALL the time when I was growing up. He was an &#8220;older&#8221; father who had his first child in his 50s, but he was cognitively very sharp. After his neurological issue (a severe stroke that left him mostly hemiplegic) he was no longer able to steal from the bins.</p>
<p>Being able to steal candy from bulk bins (and embarrass people at the store who are related to you and shop with you) has nothing to do with neurological impairment or the need for a work up. Or the need to threaten someone with being housebound.<br />
.-= MomTFH´s last blog ..<a href="http://momstinfoilhat.wordpress.com/2009/11/06/im-so-stoked/" rel="nofollow">I’m so stoked!</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: liz</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/03/dear-imprudence-how-not-to-give-advice/#comment-1736</link>
		<dc:creator>liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And where&#039;s the spouse in all this? It&#039;s the spouse&#039;s mom, why isn&#039;t s/he taking on this weekly shopping trip with hir mom?
.-= liz´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://mysterymommy.blogspot.com/2009/11/dammit-maine.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dammit, Maine!&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And where&#8217;s the spouse in all this? It&#8217;s the spouse&#8217;s mom, why isn&#8217;t s/he taking on this weekly shopping trip with hir mom?<br />
.-= liz´s last blog ..<a href="http://mysterymommy.blogspot.com/2009/11/dammit-maine.html" rel="nofollow">Dammit, Maine!</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Sweet Machine</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/03/dear-imprudence-how-not-to-give-advice/#comment-1697</link>
		<dc:creator>Sweet Machine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eek, I meant to write &quot;willing or able&quot; in my penultimate sentence.
.-= Sweet Machine´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://kateharding.net/2009/11/02/fluffcation-holiday/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fluffcation: Holiday&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eek, I meant to write &#8220;willing or able&#8221; in my penultimate sentence.<br />
.-= Sweet Machine´s last blog ..<a href="http://kateharding.net/2009/11/02/fluffcation-holiday/" rel="nofollow">Fluffcation: Holiday</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Sweet Machine</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/03/dear-imprudence-how-not-to-give-advice/#comment-1696</link>
		<dc:creator>Sweet Machine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The idea that those sorts of important body-related tasks should be something that I could punish him by refusing to do, or something that could end up waiting until I have spare time to do them is, is horrifying to me. &lt;/i&gt;

No kidding! The fact that Prudie suggests this and *doesn&#039;t* ever suggest that someone else might be better at taking the woman grocery shopping is just awful. She doesn&#039;t even ask if there are other family members who might be more comfortable with the job, let alone aides they could hire. If someone needs assistance with activities of daily living and you&#039;re not able to provide that assistance, the only ethical thing to do is to &lt;i&gt;find someone else who can&lt;/i&gt;. (The fact that this can be profoundly difficult due to systemic cultural ableism doesn&#039;t change the obligation to treat PWD ethically.)
.-= Sweet Machine´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://kateharding.net/2009/11/02/fluffcation-holiday/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fluffcation: Holiday&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The idea that those sorts of important body-related tasks should be something that I could punish him by refusing to do, or something that could end up waiting until I have spare time to do them is, is horrifying to me. </i></p>
<p>No kidding! The fact that Prudie suggests this and *doesn&#8217;t* ever suggest that someone else might be better at taking the woman grocery shopping is just awful. She doesn&#8217;t even ask if there are other family members who might be more comfortable with the job, let alone aides they could hire. If someone needs assistance with activities of daily living and you&#8217;re not able to provide that assistance, the only ethical thing to do is to <i>find someone else who can</i>. (The fact that this can be profoundly difficult due to systemic cultural ableism doesn&#8217;t change the obligation to treat PWD ethically.)<br />
.-= Sweet Machine´s last blog ..<a href="http://kateharding.net/2009/11/02/fluffcation-holiday/" rel="nofollow">Fluffcation: Holiday</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Adelaide Dupont</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/03/dear-imprudence-how-not-to-give-advice/#comment-1686</link>
		<dc:creator>Adelaide Dupont</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 06:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me paranoia is intellectualised fear.

It is a feeling, but it has gone (far) beyond that.
.-= Adelaide Dupont´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://duponthumanite.livejournal.com/29198.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Running sheet for Key Concepts and Development: prelim and first draft, with pics and sounds!&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me paranoia is intellectualised fear.</p>
<p>It is a feeling, but it has gone (far) beyond that.<br />
.-= Adelaide Dupont´s last blog ..<a href="http://duponthumanite.livejournal.com/29198.html" rel="nofollow">Running sheet for Key Concepts and Development: prelim and first draft, with pics and sounds!</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: lauren</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/03/dear-imprudence-how-not-to-give-advice/#comment-1664</link>
		<dc:creator>lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Use her disability to get what you want!

That&#039;s what this boils down to. The mother in law needs help because of her disability/ her age (there is so much intersection between ableism and ageism!), and this dependency is the perfect tool to shape the mil&#039;s behaviour as the daughter in law sees fit, so she can enjoy the shopping.

That&#039;s undue duress, if not extortion. Prudie is telling the dil to hold the mil&#039;s ability to provide lives neccesseties for herself hostage until the mil changes into the person her dil wants her to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Use her disability to get what you want!</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what this boils down to. The mother in law needs help because of her disability/ her age (there is so much intersection between ableism and ageism!), and this dependency is the perfect tool to shape the mil&#8217;s behaviour as the daughter in law sees fit, so she can enjoy the shopping.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s undue duress, if not extortion. Prudie is telling the dil to hold the mil&#8217;s ability to provide lives neccesseties for herself hostage until the mil changes into the person her dil wants her to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/03/dear-imprudence-how-not-to-give-advice/#comment-1663</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so horrified at the suggestion that one should refuse to take one&#039;s MIL to the grocery store.

This is why I&#039;m rather adamant that certain types of care should not be performed by me.  Don has a homecare worker that comes by once a week to help with things like shaving and making sure his hair gets a thorough wash and all that.  The idea that those sorts of important body-related tasks should be something that I &lt;em&gt;could&lt;/em&gt; punish him by refusing to do, or something that could end up waiting until I have spare time to do them is, is horrifying to me.  (And if you think I&#039;m hardly on line, you should see how rarely I&#039;m home.)

And yet, people suggest it &lt;em&gt;all the time&lt;/em&gt;.
.-= Anna´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://trouble.dreamwidth.org/531117.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A random collection of things&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so horrified at the suggestion that one should refuse to take one&#8217;s MIL to the grocery store.</p>
<p>This is why I&#8217;m rather adamant that certain types of care should not be performed by me.  Don has a homecare worker that comes by once a week to help with things like shaving and making sure his hair gets a thorough wash and all that.  The idea that those sorts of important body-related tasks should be something that I <em>could</em> punish him by refusing to do, or something that could end up waiting until I have spare time to do them is, is horrifying to me.  (And if you think I&#8217;m hardly on line, you should see how rarely I&#8217;m home.)</p>
<p>And yet, people suggest it <em>all the time</em>.<br />
.-= Anna´s last blog ..<a href="http://trouble.dreamwidth.org/531117.html" rel="nofollow">A random collection of things</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaitlyn</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/03/dear-imprudence-how-not-to-give-advice/#comment-1657</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaitlyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prudie&#039;s advice bothered me recently - it was about a man who was going to marry a woman who wanted separate bedrooms. The whole thing was about how the woman still lived at home and wanted some privacy finally.

No one considered why someone would live at home until marriage, except for immaturity. (I first was mad for cultural reasons, but now I&#039;m mad for ableism reasons - I lived on my own, everyone should!)
.-= Kaitlyn´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://ohmonkeytrumpets.blogspot.com/2009/11/spoon-theory-and-me-its-all-about-me.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Spoon Theory and Me (It&#039;s all about me)&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prudie&#8217;s advice bothered me recently &#8211; it was about a man who was going to marry a woman who wanted separate bedrooms. The whole thing was about how the woman still lived at home and wanted some privacy finally.</p>
<p>No one considered why someone would live at home until marriage, except for immaturity. (I first was mad for cultural reasons, but now I&#8217;m mad for ableism reasons &#8211; I lived on my own, everyone should!)<br />
.-= Kaitlyn´s last blog ..<a href="http://ohmonkeytrumpets.blogspot.com/2009/11/spoon-theory-and-me-its-all-about-me.html" rel="nofollow">Spoon Theory and Me (It&#8217;s all about me)</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/11/03/dear-imprudence-how-not-to-give-advice/#comment-1654</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, my advice to her would have been to myob. I agree that what MIL is doing is stealing (if the grocery store doesn&#039;t allow it, of course), but it doesn&#039;t really seem like that big a deal, and I don&#039;t think it&#039;s DIL&#039;s job to police that. And frankly it seemed to me that her concern about MIL getting caught was kind of a pretense, and mostly all about DIL--as in, DIL would be really embarrassed, I doubt she cares that much about MIL&#039;s embarrassment.

On the other hand, if there is some reason that getting caught might result in a dangerous situation for MIL, like being taken to jail or something, it might be worth it to do what&#039;s possible to help MIL not steal. But there&#039;s only so much one should or can do, and trying to control the MIL by threatening to &quot;shrink her world&quot; is really wrong.

I found Prudie&#039;s attitude to be quite condescending and infantalizing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, my advice to her would have been to myob. I agree that what MIL is doing is stealing (if the grocery store doesn&#8217;t allow it, of course), but it doesn&#8217;t really seem like that big a deal, and I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s DIL&#8217;s job to police that. And frankly it seemed to me that her concern about MIL getting caught was kind of a pretense, and mostly all about DIL&#8211;as in, DIL would be really embarrassed, I doubt she cares that much about MIL&#8217;s embarrassment.</p>
<p>On the other hand, if there is some reason that getting caught might result in a dangerous situation for MIL, like being taken to jail or something, it might be worth it to do what&#8217;s possible to help MIL not steal. But there&#8217;s only so much one should or can do, and trying to control the MIL by threatening to &#8220;shrink her world&#8221; is really wrong.</p>
<p>I found Prudie&#8217;s attitude to be quite condescending and infantalizing.</p>
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