13 responses to “Samples”

  1. Bene

    Agreed, that’s always been part of my problem with the whole issue of freebie ethics; my psychiatrist kept me stable on freebies for four or five years before the drug became covered under my mother’s insurance plan and until generics came out. It’s not an easy black/white issue at all.

  2. lauredhel

    Bene: I think it can be a simple issue if the other side of the coin isn’t “a fully private system where a bunch of people have no insurance, drugs are horribly expensive, and freebies aren’t available”, but “universal single-payer health insurance where those who need medications the most can always afford them, without having to strike it lucky with a doctor who’ll slip them something”.

    Unfortunately, sick people are still paying for the freebies and all the other marketing, in the form of massively increased retail drug prices. I just looked up the same drug in Australia, and it’s only $55 ($51) if the person is paying the full price. Most people pay around $5 (if the government recognises them as low-income or veterans; I believe this is around a third of the population or so), or $32 (for everyone else), with an annual Safety Net cap. There’s just no excuse for the same drug to be 100-200% more expensive in the USA, except that the ridiculous, baroque, evil system that has perpetuated such price gouging.

    If it always works out that people who are more able to pay are consistently subsidising people who aren’t, as you identify, that can be a useful way of mitigating some of the damage until the vile system is overturned. I don’t disagree with the basic premise of the post. I just abhor that this avoidable need exists in the first place, and that so many people (not the people here, I know!) just shrug and accept it as The Way Things Are.

  3. Bene

    Oh, I agree–as I went into today on my Dreamwidth, I sort of had a wakeup call to the utter brokenness of the system within the last 24 hours. It’s terrible, and one could argue that the loopholes add to it. But they also keep some people afloat.

    Basically, we need to wipe the slate clean.

    Incidentally, I’ve been finding that it’s not just prescription drugs that are overpriced in the US. The 10 count pack of brand name Lemsip that I bought for my cold cost £3.12 (at current exchange: $5 USD) at major pharmacy price, and contains more effective medicine. US equivalent brand name Theraflu costs $5.49 at the cheapest, and it’s only a 6 count pack.

  4. The Nerd

    I’ve been rescued by freebies. I suffer from breakthrough bleeding while on the pill. The first prescription I was ever on had a too-low dose, so in the middle of the month, I started bleeding and bleeding and after a week it wasn’t stopping. The doctor gave me a freebie pack of pills to boost my hormone levels so that I could recover quickly before switching to a different prescription. Freebies give doctors the freedom to make on-the-spot effective decisions. If only there were a way to make all medication free to the public…

  5. Anji

    I still can’t quite get my head around the idea of paying for healthcare. I thank my lucky stars I’ve rarely had to do so (I am on Incapacity Benefit so I don’t pay), and when I have it’s been at a fixed price (here in the UK, no matter what your medication is it costs you £7.40 (I think) per prescription). The NHS isn’t perfect, but it works. I hope the US finds a way that works soon… nobody should be without vital medication simply because of cost.
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  6. Rosemary

    Yep. I have a medication that is very expensive, has no generic alternative, and that my insurance stopped covering awhile back – even with my doctor’s letter explaining why I really need it. So, when I see my doctor, I ask for samples. Sometimes I get them and sometimes not. It’s lucky for me this is a medication I only take “as needed” and don’t need all that frequently. It’s prescribed for me off-label, so even if the company that makes it has an assistance program, I don’t think I’d be eligible. [It's lidoderm patches that help my severe back pain, but it's only FDA approved for shingles, which is why my insurance company won't let me have it anymore, either.]

    I’m grateful, obviously, for the samples. But it would be much much better if we could change how unnecessarily expensive medications are and how unnecessarily difficult it can be to get certain medications, than for me to get some free samples from my doctor every few months.
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  7. lilacsigil

    If they’re not going to fix the overall system, though, I would rather that loopholes like this continue to exist

    Yeah. The problem is not the presence of freebies, the problem is that lack of genuine alternatives. Australia is slower to get new drugs than the US, but the government negotiates us a stable and lower price in the meantime. This can be really bad for people with rapidly progressing or rare diseases who can see people in the US getting new treatment that might benefit them – but they can’t access it, or only at high prices. But it’s not like people in the US are paying less for those new drugs, and we do get fairly distributed (except in very rural areas) and relatively affordable medications in return. I take a contraceptive pill for my PCOS, and because it’s a higher dose pill usually used for control of skin conditions, it’s not subsidised by the government. It’s still 70% cheaper than the same drug in the US, and I can buy it as often as I need it, allowing me to stack the pills and have only 4 periods a year.

  8. cathy

    lilacsigil, something that a lot of people do not know about development of drugs in the US is that the federal government subsidizes and sometimes outright pays for a lot of the most complex and long term drug studies and development. The National Institute of Health is the single largest investor in new drug development, and it gets its funds from tax dollars. So, while some people assume that it is the profit driven system that speeds up development, in fact a lot of this development relies on federal funds. The largest expenditure of drug companies does not lie in development, it lies in lobbying.

  9. Brenda

    I googled advair diskus, and learned it has the same active ingredient as my inhaler. I pay $3 per inhaler. I don’t have insurance… I live in new zealand where we have government subsidies on prescriptions… But I also see the full cost on the receipt. These inhalers are approx us$60 each. So ye gads what a price hike they have in your area!

  10. Tarpy

    I’m a medical student in Australia, and I just thought I’d mention that the reason drugs are so cheap here isn’t entirely because the pharmaceutical companies price-gouge in the USA; the government covers most of the cost. If you don’t match their requirements though, you have to pay the full price. And they’re often limited in amounts or repeats or brands, and in some cases the doctors have to ring up a special phone-line to get the authority to prescribe it EACH script.
    Our government is very wary of drug companies and their influence on doctors. For the past few years there have been limits placed on how much they can spend on ‘gifts’ and lunches for GPs. And from this year, I believe, they’re no longer allowed to give out pens and pads of paper and things that patients might walk away with. While we medical students mourn the fact that we now have to pay for our pens and notebooks, I’ll freely admit that it might be a good thing. The notebooks I’ve used have lodged the brand names of certain medications in my memory. We’re taught not to use brand names when studying, but I have to think harder to remember Pregabalin as opposed to Lyrica. And I actually have to look up Xanax to work out what kind of anxiolytic it is.
    And just as an amusing aside; I sat in with a GP for 8 weeks who used to save up samples of a certain medication for a patient. I don’t know if it was because she couldn’t afford it or didn’t qualify for the subsidised program. But every time that drug rep came in, the GP’d go straight to the sample cupboard with a bag and take all of them!

  11. lauredhel

    Tarpy: it’s some of the reason, but not the only reason. If you compare private prices, with no subsidies in sight, many medications in America are still substantially more expensive (often 50-100% or more) than in Australia.

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