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		<title>By: meloukhia</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/10/17/please-tell-me-more/#comment-2352</link>
		<dc:creator>meloukhia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even I can&#039;t resist the temptation to give advice on occasion, although I try to question myself and temper it: I ask if it&#039;s really something someone might not have known about, or how beneficial it might be. I also try to ask myself to imagine their experience for a moment to determine whether or not my information really even applies.  It&#039;s hard to strike a balance sometimes, which is why I try to preface advice which I think is valuable enough to offer with &quot;this works for me,&quot; or &quot;you may already know this but I wasn&#039;t sure so I thought I would mention it.&quot; 

My general rule of thumb, though, is to only give advice when it is specifically requested, or when someone appears to be struggling and is not explicitly asking for help, but might welcome suggestions. Someone who says &quot;this new medication is giving me awful side effects,&quot; for example, is not asking for advice. Someone who says &quot;hey, does anyone have experience with side effects from [medication]?&quot; is asking for advice. 

I also have to admit that I tend to take advice from fellow PWDs more gracefully, especially if they share my disability, because I know that they are speaking from experience and a place of personal connection, rather than just taking an opportunity to lecture me. Even if I already know/have tried what they are talking about, I appreciate it because it&#039;s a form of solidarity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even I can&#8217;t resist the temptation to give advice on occasion, although I try to question myself and temper it: I ask if it&#8217;s really something someone might not have known about, or how beneficial it might be. I also try to ask myself to imagine their experience for a moment to determine whether or not my information really even applies.  It&#8217;s hard to strike a balance sometimes, which is why I try to preface advice which I think is valuable enough to offer with &#8220;this works for me,&#8221; or &#8220;you may already know this but I wasn&#8217;t sure so I thought I would mention it.&#8221; </p>
<p>My general rule of thumb, though, is to only give advice when it is specifically requested, or when someone appears to be struggling and is not explicitly asking for help, but might welcome suggestions. Someone who says &#8220;this new medication is giving me awful side effects,&#8221; for example, is not asking for advice. Someone who says &#8220;hey, does anyone have experience with side effects from [medication]?&#8221; is asking for advice. </p>
<p>I also have to admit that I tend to take advice from fellow PWDs more gracefully, especially if they share my disability, because I know that they are speaking from experience and a place of personal connection, rather than just taking an opportunity to lecture me. Even if I already know/have tried what they are talking about, I appreciate it because it&#8217;s a form of solidarity.</p>
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		<title>By: Static Nonsense</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/10/17/please-tell-me-more/#comment-2351</link>
		<dc:creator>Static Nonsense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is something I&#039;ve been struggling with for a little while now. Whether I like or not, I&#039;ve been there, done that. But over the last year or two I&#039;ve started becoming acutely aware of such advice that I receive even from my own mother, who has been fighting with the medical community with me in order to try to determine just what exactly is going on with my body and mind. And now that we have a (vague) idea... she&#039;s been giving me suggestions of reiki, vitamin supplements and diets that oftentimes I&#039;m already on. I know she means well, but I do my research too. I &lt;i&gt;have&lt;/i&gt; to. And many times the clinical information I find either discounts or directly opposes what she finds. No mom, I don&#039;t think reiki will help a condition that&#039;s shown to be related to the central nervous system.

But part of the frustration is not just the advice they give, but the fact that it&#039;s so difficult to turn it down. Otherwise you&#039;ll hurt &lt;i&gt;their&lt;/i&gt; feelings and well, they &quot;mean well&quot;. So your concern about your own conditions is then silenced by their feelings on the matter, all for advice you never asked for.

I still struggle with giving that sort of advice. But I&#039;m trying, and I&#039;m doing better at it. At least I hope I am.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is something I&#8217;ve been struggling with for a little while now. Whether I like or not, I&#8217;ve been there, done that. But over the last year or two I&#8217;ve started becoming acutely aware of such advice that I receive even from my own mother, who has been fighting with the medical community with me in order to try to determine just what exactly is going on with my body and mind. And now that we have a (vague) idea&#8230; she&#8217;s been giving me suggestions of reiki, vitamin supplements and diets that oftentimes I&#8217;m already on. I know she means well, but I do my research too. I <i>have</i> to. And many times the clinical information I find either discounts or directly opposes what she finds. No mom, I don&#8217;t think reiki will help a condition that&#8217;s shown to be related to the central nervous system.</p>
<p>But part of the frustration is not just the advice they give, but the fact that it&#8217;s so difficult to turn it down. Otherwise you&#8217;ll hurt <i>their</i> feelings and well, they &#8220;mean well&#8221;. So your concern about your own conditions is then silenced by their feelings on the matter, all for advice you never asked for.</p>
<p>I still struggle with giving that sort of advice. But I&#8217;m trying, and I&#8217;m doing better at it. At least I hope I am.</p>
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		<title>By: recursiveparadox</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/10/17/please-tell-me-more/#comment-1930</link>
		<dc:creator>recursiveparadox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to give advice like that sometimes, but as more and more people pulled that crap with my ADD and especially my IBS once it worsened enough to impact my diet severely, I got enough perspective to realize how intensely annoying it was.

So now I just express support and sympathy.
.-= recursiveparadox´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://genderbitch.wordpress.com/2009/11/06/marriage-bandage/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;On Marriage: Impaled? Have A Bandage!&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to give advice like that sometimes, but as more and more people pulled that crap with my ADD and especially my IBS once it worsened enough to impact my diet severely, I got enough perspective to realize how intensely annoying it was.</p>
<p>So now I just express support and sympathy.<br />
.-= recursiveparadox´s last blog ..<a href="http://genderbitch.wordpress.com/2009/11/06/marriage-bandage/" rel="nofollow">On Marriage: Impaled? Have A Bandage!</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Assiya</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/10/17/please-tell-me-more/#comment-1264</link>
		<dc:creator>Assiya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 05:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(To be clear, I mean the classism in the suggestions, not the post. Sorry if that was unclear.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(To be clear, I mean the classism in the suggestions, not the post. Sorry if that was unclear.)</p>
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		<title>By: Assiya</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/10/17/please-tell-me-more/#comment-1263</link>
		<dc:creator>Assiya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 05:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this post! And the classism in it too! I just love when people suggest treatments I have wanted for a couple years but cannot afford....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this post! And the classism in it too! I just love when people suggest treatments I have wanted for a couple years but cannot afford&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: attack_laurel</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/10/17/please-tell-me-more/#comment-1223</link>
		<dc:creator>attack_laurel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Late to the party, but it happens all the time on my blog, since I&#039;m pretty honest about my physical state.  On my blog it&#039;s easy enough to ignore, but man, I hate it in person, because people get so *offended* when I say &quot;no thanks&quot;!  It&#039;s amazing - and rude.

And awkward.  Really?  Ten years of mysterious &quot;nerve damage&quot;, and you have a suggestion I haven&#039;t heard of?  I no longer try every new drug that &quot;might work&quot;, because of the damage various drugs have done to my body over the years without helping.  I like my opiates, and I&#039;m not an addict, thank you.  People are always amazed that I don&#039;t want to get off the drugs RITE NAO.  If the pain went away, sure, I&#039;d love to be drug-free, but until that glorious (and probably never happening) day, I&#039;ll stick with the one drug that I know works with the least side effects.
.-= attack_laurel´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://attack-laurel.livejournal.com/143661.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Trigger Warning-type Post&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Late to the party, but it happens all the time on my blog, since I&#8217;m pretty honest about my physical state.  On my blog it&#8217;s easy enough to ignore, but man, I hate it in person, because people get so *offended* when I say &#8220;no thanks&#8221;!  It&#8217;s amazing &#8211; and rude.</p>
<p>And awkward.  Really?  Ten years of mysterious &#8220;nerve damage&#8221;, and you have a suggestion I haven&#8217;t heard of?  I no longer try every new drug that &#8220;might work&#8221;, because of the damage various drugs have done to my body over the years without helping.  I like my opiates, and I&#8217;m not an addict, thank you.  People are always amazed that I don&#8217;t want to get off the drugs RITE NAO.  If the pain went away, sure, I&#8217;d love to be drug-free, but until that glorious (and probably never happening) day, I&#8217;ll stick with the one drug that I know works with the least side effects.<br />
.-= attack_laurel´s last blog ..<a href="http://attack-laurel.livejournal.com/143661.html" rel="nofollow">Trigger Warning-type Post</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: kitrona</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/10/17/please-tell-me-more/#comment-552</link>
		<dc:creator>kitrona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 10:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just... love, for you and for the commenters. I absolutely detest when people do that. When it&#039;s my friends who also have disabilities, especially the ones I have, fine. The ones who keep an eye out for interesting articles, that&#039;s fine too. But a TAB person... no. Too much of a power differential, even if it&#039;s just that they don&#039;t have to plan out when they go to the bathroom because it&#039;s up a flight of stairs (and stairs are tricky! don&#039;t let them get you! :P ). Heh. &quot;Just.&quot; Come to think of it, that&#039;s a pretty big thing. Or that they don&#039;t have to give themselves a pep talk just to walk out to the kitchen to get some food for themselves or their whiny, cranky terrible two-year-old. (He&#039;s always whiny and cranky when it comes to food. Otherwise, he&#039;s usually quite delightful.)

I don&#039;t get the advice that often, as fibro and RA are &quot;invisible&quot; except when I use my cane, but it&#039;s happened, and I&#039;m one of those people who responds to orders/advice by wanting to do the exact opposite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just&#8230; love, for you and for the commenters. I absolutely detest when people do that. When it&#8217;s my friends who also have disabilities, especially the ones I have, fine. The ones who keep an eye out for interesting articles, that&#8217;s fine too. But a TAB person&#8230; no. Too much of a power differential, even if it&#8217;s just that they don&#8217;t have to plan out when they go to the bathroom because it&#8217;s up a flight of stairs (and stairs are tricky! don&#8217;t let them get you! <img src='http://disabledfeminists.com/fwd/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  ). Heh. &#8220;Just.&#8221; Come to think of it, that&#8217;s a pretty big thing. Or that they don&#8217;t have to give themselves a pep talk just to walk out to the kitchen to get some food for themselves or their whiny, cranky terrible two-year-old. (He&#8217;s always whiny and cranky when it comes to food. Otherwise, he&#8217;s usually quite delightful.)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t get the advice that often, as fibro and RA are &#8220;invisible&#8221; except when I use my cane, but it&#8217;s happened, and I&#8217;m one of those people who responds to orders/advice by wanting to do the exact opposite.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonyme</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/10/17/please-tell-me-more/#comment-454</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonyme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 09:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m able-bodied, and I think I&#039;ve been pretty good about avoiding this sin. I do feel, when I meet someone who&#039;s disabled, like asking &quot;Is there anything I can do to help?&quot; but I realize that that could quickly become fingernails on a chalkboard. So I usually don&#039;t do anything beyond giving up my seat on public transit. I don&#039;t really know how to be helpful without implying that the person is helpless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m able-bodied, and I think I&#8217;ve been pretty good about avoiding this sin. I do feel, when I meet someone who&#8217;s disabled, like asking &#8220;Is there anything I can do to help?&#8221; but I realize that that could quickly become fingernails on a chalkboard. So I usually don&#8217;t do anything beyond giving up my seat on public transit. I don&#8217;t really know how to be helpful without implying that the person is helpless.</p>
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		<title>By: llevinso</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/10/17/please-tell-me-more/#comment-434</link>
		<dc:creator>llevinso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 01:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@PharoahKatt: You&#039;re so right with the word &quot;just.&quot; That&#039;s when I really get upset. It&#039;s like there is some magical cure that I &quot;just&quot; need to try and everything will be all better! Ta da!

That&#039;s kind of what I was talking about above. I personally don&#039;t mind advice here and there (although I know others are different than me in that respect), but when it&#039;s presented as an absolute = irritating. Especially then if I say that I have &quot;just&quot; tried whatever they&#039;re talking about and it didn&#039;t work for me and they assume I didn&#039;t do it right or I&#039;m lying. Gee, thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@PharoahKatt: You&#8217;re so right with the word &#8220;just.&#8221; That&#8217;s when I really get upset. It&#8217;s like there is some magical cure that I &#8220;just&#8221; need to try and everything will be all better! Ta da!</p>
<p>That&#8217;s kind of what I was talking about above. I personally don&#8217;t mind advice here and there (although I know others are different than me in that respect), but when it&#8217;s presented as an absolute = irritating. Especially then if I say that I have &#8220;just&#8221; tried whatever they&#8217;re talking about and it didn&#8217;t work for me and they assume I didn&#8217;t do it right or I&#8217;m lying. Gee, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/10/17/please-tell-me-more/#comment-430</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 22:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yesterday - and it happens every time I&#039;m around new people. 

I agree with what you describe about infantilization. I also think there is a component of personal discomfort with vulnerability and mortality. Some people are so uncomfortable with disability or illness, they can&#039;t tolerate the idea that it exists. They have to go all out to eradicate it. That way they don&#039;t have to see it or know it&#039;s around. They want to be the hero who saves me. I&#039;d be happy not to be in pain anymore but honestly, it&#039;s been 20 years and I&#039;m very tired of earnest advice so unless a person has a magic wand they can totally SFTU.   Usually I deflect it by saying let&#039;s not talk about medical stuff right now. Other times I explain that I&#039;m tired of advice. What I don&#039;t want to do is then explain to that random person exactly what I have and haven&#039;t tried over the last 20 years! And they always want to know.
.-= Liz´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://liz-henry.blogspot.com/2009/10/adapt-in-atlanta-kicking-ass-taking.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ADAPT in Atlanta kicking ass, taking names&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday &#8211; and it happens every time I&#8217;m around new people. </p>
<p>I agree with what you describe about infantilization. I also think there is a component of personal discomfort with vulnerability and mortality. Some people are so uncomfortable with disability or illness, they can&#8217;t tolerate the idea that it exists. They have to go all out to eradicate it. That way they don&#8217;t have to see it or know it&#8217;s around. They want to be the hero who saves me. I&#8217;d be happy not to be in pain anymore but honestly, it&#8217;s been 20 years and I&#8217;m very tired of earnest advice so unless a person has a magic wand they can totally SFTU.   Usually I deflect it by saying let&#8217;s not talk about medical stuff right now. Other times I explain that I&#8217;m tired of advice. What I don&#8217;t want to do is then explain to that random person exactly what I have and haven&#8217;t tried over the last 20 years! And they always want to know.<br />
.-= Liz´s last blog ..<a href="http://liz-henry.blogspot.com/2009/10/adapt-in-atlanta-kicking-ass-taking.html" rel="nofollow">ADAPT in Atlanta kicking ass, taking names</a> =-.</p>
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