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		<title>By: Anji</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/10/12/on-ambient-intimacy-and-assistive-devices/#comment-178</link>
		<dc:creator>Anji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This, so much this. Having Borderline Personality Disorder means I find it really hard to understand other people as, well, people. I can&#039;t read facial expressions very well and I have a tendency to put my foot in my mouth because I&#039;m reading the conversation totally wrongly. Communicating with people on the internet is different. I have time to think about what I&#039;m saying. I have time to read carefully what the other person has said and to deconstruct that in my head, make as much sense of it as I can and respond accordingly. In a real-life conversation I don&#039;t have time to do that, and it makes it very hard for me.

I can understand from the physical limitation point of view as well. I don&#039;t/can&#039;t get out as much as I&#039;d like, due to this as-yet-unnamed chronic pain/tiredness condition, so the internet really is a lifeline for communicating with people, even the people I know &#039;in real life&#039;, when I am unable to get out to see them.
.-= Anji´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://shutupsitdown.co.uk/2009/10/12/cosigning-an-open-letter-to-feministing/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cosigning – An Open Letter To Feministing&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This, so much this. Having Borderline Personality Disorder means I find it really hard to understand other people as, well, people. I can&#8217;t read facial expressions very well and I have a tendency to put my foot in my mouth because I&#8217;m reading the conversation totally wrongly. Communicating with people on the internet is different. I have time to think about what I&#8217;m saying. I have time to read carefully what the other person has said and to deconstruct that in my head, make as much sense of it as I can and respond accordingly. In a real-life conversation I don&#8217;t have time to do that, and it makes it very hard for me.</p>
<p>I can understand from the physical limitation point of view as well. I don&#8217;t/can&#8217;t get out as much as I&#8217;d like, due to this as-yet-unnamed chronic pain/tiredness condition, so the internet really is a lifeline for communicating with people, even the people I know &#8216;in real life&#8217;, when I am unable to get out to see them.<br />
.-= Anji´s last blog ..<a href="http://shutupsitdown.co.uk/2009/10/12/cosigning-an-open-letter-to-feministing/" rel="nofollow">Cosigning – An Open Letter To Feministing</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Tlönista</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/10/12/on-ambient-intimacy-and-assistive-devices/#comment-153</link>
		<dc:creator>Tlönista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 01:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me and my friends, the Internet—blogging, Facebook, instant messaging—is a safe space where we can talk about disability and chronic illness, because talking about it in meatspace is stigmatized. I wouldn&#039;t even have &lt;em&gt;known&lt;/em&gt; that my friends were dealing with the same stuff if I hadn&#039;t started blogging about it. 

I&#039;m not sure if this has to do with mental illness, brain weirdness, or what—but I am super socially awkward. Written communications are so much more comfortable, meaningful, and quick. Aural information is much harder to process. Face-to-face, I stumble over words, freeze up, could say it so much better if I had a keyboard. Also, I probably can&#039;t hear what you&#039;re saying, and when I do, I won&#039;t remember it as well as if you just &lt;em&gt;wrote it down&lt;/em&gt;. 

Everyone needs a space where they can be themselves, express themselves in their preferred way. And it&#039;s fine if, for you, that&#039;s meatspace—but it sure isn&#039;t for everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me and my friends, the Internet—blogging, Facebook, instant messaging—is a safe space where we can talk about disability and chronic illness, because talking about it in meatspace is stigmatized. I wouldn&#8217;t even have <em>known</em> that my friends were dealing with the same stuff if I hadn&#8217;t started blogging about it. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure if this has to do with mental illness, brain weirdness, or what—but I am super socially awkward. Written communications are so much more comfortable, meaningful, and quick. Aural information is much harder to process. Face-to-face, I stumble over words, freeze up, could say it so much better if I had a keyboard. Also, I probably can&#8217;t hear what you&#8217;re saying, and when I do, I won&#8217;t remember it as well as if you just <em>wrote it down</em>. </p>
<p>Everyone needs a space where they can be themselves, express themselves in their preferred way. And it&#8217;s fine if, for you, that&#8217;s meatspace—but it sure isn&#8217;t for everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsay</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/10/12/on-ambient-intimacy-and-assistive-devices/#comment-98</link>
		<dc:creator>Lindsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those things bother me, too, Lauredhel. And also what Kaz and Tera mention about thought speed and ability to interpret body language.

Also, I&#039;m very excited that this blog exists! Totally adding it to my blogroll/Google reader.
.-= Lindsay´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://autistscorner.blogspot.com/2009/10/but-what-about-aspie-men.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;But What About the (Aspie) Men??!&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those things bother me, too, Lauredhel. And also what Kaz and Tera mention about thought speed and ability to interpret body language.</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;m very excited that this blog exists! Totally adding it to my blogroll/Google reader.<br />
.-= Lindsay´s last blog ..<a href="http://autistscorner.blogspot.com/2009/10/but-what-about-aspie-men.html" rel="nofollow">But What About the (Aspie) Men??!</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: lauredhel</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/10/12/on-ambient-intimacy-and-assistive-devices/#comment-80</link>
		<dc:creator>lauredhel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 04:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OH, thankyou Kaz and Tera for your comments! That&#039;s a huge dimension to the privileging of face-to-face discussion and denigration of text. 

Another one for me is the thought-speed factor and my weirdness with audio processing (which for me is not a diagnosed &#039;disorder&#039; as such): listening to someone speak at length about something complex just doesn&#039;t work well for me unless I&#039;ve got text material to look at as well - which led to me being one of those &quot;annoying&quot; students who wrote almost everything down while lecturers were talking. Because the only way I could focus was for the information to go from ear to hand to computer, into my eyes, and then into my brain. 

Right now I can manage instant messaging conversations far, far better than phone calls, perhaps for the same sort of reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OH, thankyou Kaz and Tera for your comments! That&#8217;s a huge dimension to the privileging of face-to-face discussion and denigration of text. </p>
<p>Another one for me is the thought-speed factor and my weirdness with audio processing (which for me is not a diagnosed &#8216;disorder&#8217; as such): listening to someone speak at length about something complex just doesn&#8217;t work well for me unless I&#8217;ve got text material to look at as well &#8211; which led to me being one of those &#8220;annoying&#8221; students who wrote almost everything down while lecturers were talking. Because the only way I could focus was for the information to go from ear to hand to computer, into my eyes, and then into my brain. </p>
<p>Right now I can manage instant messaging conversations far, far better than phone calls, perhaps for the same sort of reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Tera</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/10/12/on-ambient-intimacy-and-assistive-devices/#comment-65</link>
		<dc:creator>Tera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, totally.

The Internet is an assistive device for me, also. I communicate much better in text than in real-time speech, because I have more time to process things and respond. I have a lot of difficulty finding my way around, too, and could probably use a cellphone with a GPS and turn-by turn directions. Plus, the Internet just gives me access to so much information that&#039;s really hard to find in meatspace. Like, oh, the awesomeness that is the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.leeds.ac.uk/disability-studies/archiveuk/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Disability Studies Archive&lt;/a&gt; at Leeds in the UK.

Kaz&#039;s comment reminded me of something I&#039;ve noticed. People who don&#039;t have writing disabilities who have the same difficulties communicating in writing as I do in real-time speech will place their difficulties as flaws inherent in writing, rather than in themselves. (&quot;Writing is harder because you don&#039;t have the benefit of facial expressions and other nonverbal communication&quot;). Whereas all the &quot;expert&quot; literature about my diagnosis will place my difficulties communicating face-to-face as intrinsic to me. (&quot;These sorts of people do not understand nonverbal communication.&quot;)
.-= Tera´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://sweetperdition.wordpress.com/2009/08/26/trailer-dump-avatar/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Trailer dump:Avatar&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, totally.</p>
<p>The Internet is an assistive device for me, also. I communicate much better in text than in real-time speech, because I have more time to process things and respond. I have a lot of difficulty finding my way around, too, and could probably use a cellphone with a GPS and turn-by turn directions. Plus, the Internet just gives me access to so much information that&#8217;s really hard to find in meatspace. Like, oh, the awesomeness that is the <a href="http://www.leeds.ac.uk/disability-studies/archiveuk/" rel="nofollow">Disability Studies Archive</a> at Leeds in the UK.</p>
<p>Kaz&#8217;s comment reminded me of something I&#8217;ve noticed. People who don&#8217;t have writing disabilities who have the same difficulties communicating in writing as I do in real-time speech will place their difficulties as flaws inherent in writing, rather than in themselves. (&#8220;Writing is harder because you don&#8217;t have the benefit of facial expressions and other nonverbal communication&#8221;). Whereas all the &#8220;expert&#8221; literature about my diagnosis will place my difficulties communicating face-to-face as intrinsic to me. (&#8220;These sorts of people do not understand nonverbal communication.&#8221;)<br />
.-= Tera´s last blog ..<a href="http://sweetperdition.wordpress.com/2009/08/26/trailer-dump-avatar/" rel="nofollow">Trailer dump:Avatar</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaz</title>
		<link>http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/10/12/on-ambient-intimacy-and-assistive-devices/#comment-56</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Word.

I&#039;d like to add that there&#039;s this whole &quot;internet communication is one-dimensional and meaningless and terribly incomplete compared to Real Life because it&#039;s all text without body language!&quot; meme that I find &lt;em&gt;incredibly&lt;/em&gt; offensive, because hi? I&#039;m on the autistic spectrum, and I get approximately a thousand times as much nonexplicit information from online communication as face-to-face? I don&#039;t see where people get off telling me that I am incapable of having a rich, deep, meaningful conversation, which is what you are essentially doing if you&#039;re telling me online conversation is worthless and body language is a vitally important part of any interaction.
.-= Kaz´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://kaz.dreamwidth.org/207444.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;On talking vs. silence and currently-abledness&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Word.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to add that there&#8217;s this whole &#8220;internet communication is one-dimensional and meaningless and terribly incomplete compared to Real Life because it&#8217;s all text without body language!&#8221; meme that I find <em>incredibly</em> offensive, because hi? I&#8217;m on the autistic spectrum, and I get approximately a thousand times as much nonexplicit information from online communication as face-to-face? I don&#8217;t see where people get off telling me that I am incapable of having a rich, deep, meaningful conversation, which is what you are essentially doing if you&#8217;re telling me online conversation is worthless and body language is a vitally important part of any interaction.<br />
.-= Kaz´s last blog ..<a href="http://kaz.dreamwidth.org/207444.html" rel="nofollow">On talking vs. silence and currently-abledness</a> =-.</p>
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